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Posted: Friday, January 18, 2013 - 09:56 PM UTC

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Well, trumpeter did just release their T-64B......

Not hard to imagine they added the nice extra bits to turn out the T-64BV

With the T-64's done, we can have T-72 now? One can hope they keep up the trend.

You can have one right now from Tamiya. It's an excellent kit, just not a USSR operated version.


It's nice but it has lots of inaccuracies. Considering that the DML kit is even worse It would be really the time for a new tool
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Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 01:45 PM UTC
It doesn't have inaccuracies, it's got a bunch of different versions' features the instructions keep quiet about. IMHO Tamiya T-55 and T-72 are the best two overall kits of post WW2 soviet armor with Trumpy T-64 running close second.
Going back to them making a T-80 or 72, the 2013-14 catalog is out and neither HB or Trumpeter plan to make any of the two tanks this or next year.
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Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 08:22 PM UTC

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It doesn't have inaccuracies, it's got a bunch of different versions' features the instructions keep quiet about. IMHO Tamiya T-55 and T-72 are the best two overall kits of post WW2 soviet armor with Trumpy T-64 running close second.
Going back to them making a T-80 or 72, the 2013-14 catalog is out and neither HB or Trumpeter plan to make any of the two tanks this or next year.

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I'm sorry but I don't agree. T-72 turret has a wrong shape and a silly mistake on the fenders (hinges are in a wrong position). Furthermore If you want to depict a T-72A or B you have to buy some quite expensive resin sets. That isn't only my opinion. Several Russian modellers also say that Tamiya kit isn't accurate.
Regarding their T-55 I concur that is a really good model. However it has some flaws. For exemple the engine deck rendition would have been done in a better way. As you know, you don't have the Russian wading rail on it and you have to make some scratch jobs if you want to reproduce a Polish or a Czech exemplar.
Yes, Trumpeter hasn't scheduled any T-72 or T-80...but sometime they make some products with any announcements (at least I hope so )

That's just my opinion anyway

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Posted: Sunday, January 20, 2013 - 11:24 PM UTC
Well I believe Xact models plan to release their T-80U quite soon so that is something to look forward to!
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Posted: Monday, January 21, 2013 - 01:34 AM UTC

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It doesn't have inaccuracies.


What about the incorrect engine deck? I'm referring to the engine hatch with the intakes, which is incorrectly aligned too far to the right.
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Posted: Monday, January 21, 2013 - 05:51 AM UTC

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Dragon and Trumpy should both just stop 'beating around the bush' and go back to basics, do a T-55 with the option of 3 engine decks in the box, and seperate mudgaurds, then do a T-72, a nice T-72.

Are Dragon and Trumpy really shying away from the T-55 and T-72 because of the Tamiya offerings ?, Tamiya really only have one advantage left now, better quality plastic (you could maybe argue for better instructions), but better quality plastic is not enough to justify the high prices.

Tamiya T-55 has problems, but is a nice kit.
Tamiya T-72 has problems, but is a nice kit.

Both Dragon and Trumpy could do better, much better, and then Tamiya would not have a leg to stand on.



I totally agree with you.
Anyway I think that dragon won't be interested in reproducing that kind of subjects
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Posted: Monday, January 21, 2013 - 06:36 AM UTC

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It doesn't have inaccuracies, it's got a bunch of different versions' features the instructions keep quiet about.

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I'm sorry but I don't agree. T-72 turret has a wrong shape and a silly mistake on the fenders (hinges are in a wrong position).


Yes, I also think the turret is inaccurate - the cheek bones have the almost vertical drop of the M1/A turret(and cutout under the tucha tubes) but they don't protrude anywhere near far enough to represent the up-armouring of this version. This means the Tamiya kit appears more chunky at the front.

The JS Models 1/35th turret is far closer to the real thing IMHO (measured from a Finnish M1 they claim). Comparing the 2 together really shows a difference as there are more complex changes in the curvature than on the Tamiya kit. I looked particularly for these areas on a real M1 I was able to climb onto several years ago. I think it should be more of a teardrop shape from above too.

The Revell 1/72 kit is a scaled down copy of the Tamiya kit and I reshaped it and cast it in resin as shown:





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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 03:43 PM UTC
Look up Czechoslovak transitional M turret without applique armor yet, but already with a laser rangefinder. Then compare it to Tamiya's "anorexic" turret.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 07:15 PM UTC

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Look up Czechoslovak transitional M turret without applique armor yet, but already with a laser rangefinder. Then compare it to Tamiya's "anorexic" turret.


Yes, the overall turret shape and volume is a mix of M and M1 and is inaccurate because of this. As I stated above, it has the near vertical turret front and the cut-outs of the M1, but lack the actual bulk of the increased armour. The M should have a clear slope to the front, and be slightly flattened off on this areas. The Czech Wings and Wheels book has plenty of great M and M1 photos that show this.

Here is my attempt at the T-72 and T-72M turrets in 1.72:





The real thing:





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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 07:18 PM UTC
George, can you post pictures for the rest of us. I would like to see them to compare.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 07:42 PM UTC
Here's a late version M turret with the Tucha fitted (but not the vertical turret front):



The info below mentions the intermediate version as having an M turret, just as above:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47209/thread/1209626008/Overview+of+T-72A+models


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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 09:41 PM UTC
Hi Guys

This good info on the T-72 is going to get lost in a post about the T-64 test shot ......

Back to the topic at hand.

While I see test shots as another tick in the box a kit is going to be released I do not assume the test shot will be what is in the box.

The pic shows the ERA is mounted too high but until I see the plastic I won't get into a hissy fit because of it.

Tom
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Posted: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 - 10:53 PM UTC

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Hi Guys

This good info on the T-72 is going to get lost in a post about the T-64 test shot ......


You're right, it has gone a bit off topic maybe best to leave the T-72 turrets for another thread!
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Posted: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 - 01:13 AM UTC
Can't those very interesting T-72 infos and pics be transfered to the T-72 post at the beginning of the page ?
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