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Posted: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 - 12:00 PM UTC
Here's info on the Italian M60A1 and USMC M60A1 RISE used by Italy in Somalia...

http://www.ferreamole.it/images/m60_era/m60_era.htm
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Posted: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 - 12:11 PM UTC

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The first two photos are of US tanks. The last photo is of a Pakistani tank leaving Somalia. It would have been repainted, before it left for shipping back to Pakistan.


I'm pretty positive those are Pakistani crewed tanks...they may have been supplied by the U.S. to Pakistan as some kind of aid program. Pakistan had a number of vehicles painted in NATO three colour in Somalia...M113A2 ACAVs and CUCV for example.

There are other images on Getty that show Pakistani troops (even wearing blue berets) on the M60A3s.

The USMC deployed about a Platoon of M1A1 Abrams to Somalia in additions to their LAVs and AAVs.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 - 08:40 PM UTC
Hi!
You can go for the Perfect Scale (PSM) kit of the blade, made for M1 ABV, or you can get a Trumpeter Challenger 1 kit which contains the blade. However, if you go for the Chally, it is very unlikely that the base plate fits the M60. With the ABV blade, it is also unlikely, but closer I guess. The only picture of such M60 vehicle does not give a clue how the base plate is altered to fit M60

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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 04:24 AM UTC
This has sparked quite a discussion. So, were there any M60s painted white in UN service?
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 04:59 AM UTC

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This has sparked quite a discussion. So, were there any M60s painted white in UN service?


You've had 2 different people already answer this question in THIS thread. Why are you asking again?
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 05:46 AM UTC

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This has sparked quite a discussion. So, were there any M60s painted white in UN service?


You've had 2 different people already answer this question in THIS thread. Why are you asking again?

Because I have had two people say otherwise. I guess I will just go with an M60 and paint it white. I may buy the dozer, but am not sure how much money I want to spend on this build.
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 05:58 AM UTC

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This has sparked quite a discussion. So, were there any M60s painted white in UN service?


You've had 2 different people already answer this question in THIS thread. Why are you asking again?

Because I have had two people say otherwise. I guess I will just go with an M60 and paint it white. I may buy the dozer, but am not sure how much money I want to spend on this build.


You need to re-read your own thread.

If you want a white M60, it's going to be Jordanian, and located in the Balkans. NO WHITE M60's IN SOMALIA.
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 06:53 AM UTC
That is fine. I really just want to do an M60, in white. I will be basing it on this photo.
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 07:39 AM UTC

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That is fine. I really just want to do an M60, in white. I will be basing it on this photo.


The M60 that's part of Bovington's collection? Ok...

This would be better... being that it's a white M60 and all.

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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 07:58 AM UTC

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That is fine. I really just want to do an M60, in white. I will be basing it on this photo.


The M60 that's part of Bovington's collection? Ok...

This would be better... being that it's a white M60 and all.


Other than the color, I don't see much difference in the two.
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 08:37 AM UTC

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That is fine. I really just want to do an M60, in white. I will be basing it on this photo.


The M60 that's part of Bovington's collection? Ok...

This would be better... being that it's a white M60 and all.


Other than the color, I don't see much difference in the two.


Wouldn't the color and location of the markings be pretty essential if you want to build a fairly rare 'white M60'??
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 08:42 AM UTC

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That is fine. I really just want to do an M60, in white. I will be basing it on this photo.


The M60 that's part of Bovington's collection? Ok...

This would be better... being that it's a white M60 and all.


Other than the color, I don't see much difference in the two.


Wouldn't the color and location of the markings be pretty essential if you want to build a fairly rare 'white M60'??

Yes, but for the actual build I will be using the clearer photo.

However, the second photo brings up another line of questions. Being that it is rare, does anybody have or know of any other markings on it?
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 09:38 AM UTC
I noticed, in the first photo, that there are spare tracks attached to the turret. Judging from this photo, I can see no brackets. Are they just not visible?
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 10:30 AM UTC

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That is fine. I really just want to do an M60, in white. I will be basing it on this photo.


Good basic M60A3...but don't include a British antenna mount!
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 10:31 AM UTC
@Jesse
Great image ... thanks for sharing :-)
what publication was this image scanned from?

cheers
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 10:38 AM UTC

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That is fine. I really just want to do an M60, in white. I will be basing it on this photo.


Good basic M60A3...but don't include a British antenna mount!

Thank you Jason. I would have missed that detail.
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 10:48 AM UTC

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I noticed, in the first photo, that there are spare tracks attached to the turret. Judging from this photo, I can see no brackets. Are they just not visible?


Be cautious when comparing images. The white UN M60A3 was one of the original 50 U.S. surplus M60A3s supplied to Jordan....a basic M60A3.

The image you have posted is a Jordanian M60A3 KADBB upgraded version....visible is the large gunner's sight housing and the new wind sensor....and the spare tracks on the turret.

Take a close look at the spare tracks and you'll see the end connector has been attached 180 degrees to way it should be...this allows the tracks to sit flush on the turret. There is probably some kind of mount or bracket under the track sections eliminating a traditional bracket.
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 11:14 AM UTC

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I noticed, in the first photo, that there are spare tracks attached to the turret. Judging from this photo, I can see no brackets. Are they just not visible?


Be cautious when comparing images. The white UN M60A3 was one of the original 50 U.S. surplus M60A3s supplied to Jordan....a basic M60A3.

The image you have posted is a Jordanian M60A3 KADBB upgraded version....visible is the large gunner's sight housing and the new wind sensor....and the spare tracks on the turret.

Take a close look at the spare tracks and you'll see the end connector has been attached 180 degrees to way it should be...this allows the tracks to sit flush on the turret. There is probably some kind of mount or bracket under the track sections eliminating a traditional bracket.

Did not know that. But, I only posted the photo as it was clearer and seemed to have the same track mounting.
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 01:00 PM UTC

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@Jesse
Great image ... thanks for sharing :-)
what publication was this image scanned from?

cheers
Walter


Hi Walter.

I just googled "UN M60A3" and it showed up. No idea where it came from.
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 02:45 PM UTC

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Take a close look at the spare tracks and you'll see the end connector has been attached 180 degrees to way it should be...this allows the tracks to sit flush on the turret. There is probably some kind of mount or bracket under the track sections eliminating a traditional bracket.


Jason,
I know that you really meant that the center guide was reversed 180 degrees to allow the track section to set flush against the turret.

I didn't notice the new primary sight but did catch the M1 series crosswind sensor mast and was going to point that out...

Thanks for the info on UN missions in Somalia as well as the Balkans, where your first hand experience while with the Strathconas is appreciated.

John
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 02:59 PM UTC
I need to leave the crosswind sensor off? I'm asking because, the am barrel I ordered comes with it. I can tell no other variation from the common barrel.
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 03:20 PM UTC

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I need to leave the crosswind sensor off? I'm asking because, the am barrel I ordered comes with it. I can tell no other variation from the common barrel.


Matt,

If you have information on what a straight forward U.S. M60A3 looks like (tons of info on the internet) and the details associated to the M60A3 you should be able to build your white UN Croatian deployed Jordanian M60A3 with your kit and aftermarket sets. Include the regular M60A3 wind sensor on your build.

With the exception of the spare tracks added to the turret sides the Jordanian M60A3s back in 1996 appear to be stock M60A3s.
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 03:35 PM UTC
If you want some good images of ex-Jordanian M60A3s supplied to Lebanon (66 tanks provided in 2011) look at this link....good high res images of the details including the spare track placement.

These are the upgraded versions...not the version used back in 1996 or Somalia.

http://milinme.wordpress.com/2012/11/19/vehicle-walk-around-laf-m60a3/
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Posted: Thursday, April 04, 2013 - 03:35 PM UTC

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I need to leave the crosswind sensor off? I'm asking because, the am barrel I ordered comes with it. I can tell no other variation from the common barrel.


Matt,

If you have information on what a straight forward U.S. M60A3 looks like (tons of info on the internet) and the details associated to the M60A3 you should be able to build your white UN Croatian deployed Jordanian M60A3 with your kit and aftermarket sets. Include the regular M60A3 wind sensor on your build.

With the exception of the spare tracks added to the turret sides the Jordanian M60A3s back in 1996 appear to be stock M60A3s.

Well, that simplifies things.
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