the full tracked prime mover that was used to pull the large WWII arty piece that was broken into two loads? I think it was a 2oomm? Also,is there a kit of the gun?
J
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jrutman
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I guess you're talking about the M1 240 mm howitzer :
It could be towed by the M6 High Speed Tractor :
or the M33 (converted M31 TRV ) :
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...or the M35 (AFV Club kit) :
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It could be towed by the M6 High Speed Tractor :
or the M33 (converted M31 TRV ) :
...or the M35 (AFV Club kit) :
H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 04:30 AM UTC
Yes there is,
AFV Club
M35 Prime Mover
Kit No. AF 35S08
1:35th Scale,
but there are a number of issues. The kit depicts an M10 without the turret, but the M10A1 was used. They differ in that the M10 was a diesel powered TD, and the M10A1 was gasoline powered. This results in different engine access doors and filler cap locations. The M10A1s were primarily used to tow the 8" howitzers and 240 mm guns.
See here for a lot more details, and instructions on how to "fix" all the errors of the kit.
PMMS
Hope this helps,
John
added: As Frenchy points out below, they could also tow the 8" gun.
AFV Club
M35 Prime Mover
Kit No. AF 35S08
1:35th Scale,
but there are a number of issues. The kit depicts an M10 without the turret, but the M10A1 was used. They differ in that the M10 was a diesel powered TD, and the M10A1 was gasoline powered. This results in different engine access doors and filler cap locations. The M10A1s were primarily used to tow the 8" howitzers and 240 mm guns.
See here for a lot more details, and instructions on how to "fix" all the errors of the kit.
PMMS
Hope this helps,
John
added: As Frenchy points out below, they could also tow the 8" gun.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 04:36 AM UTC
In fact it could be the 8 inch Gun M1 (203 mm) as well . The transport wagons are the same (and so are the tractor options I think) :
I'm not 100% sure about that, but maybe the M4 High Speed Tractor is another option :
H.P.
I'm not 100% sure about that, but maybe the M4 High Speed Tractor is another option :
H.P.
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John and Frenchie!!
Thanks,excellent intel for everything about the prime mover. I am guessing there are no kits of the larger guns? Much less,in travel mode?
J
Thanks,excellent intel for everything about the prime mover. I am guessing there are no kits of the larger guns? Much less,in travel mode?
J
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If you don't care about the scale, there's a 240mm M1 Howitzer in 1/72nd scale made by Hauler :
Hauler has also released the M35 and the M1 8" gun :
http://www.hauler.cz/e-shop/1-72-construction-kits-6
H.P.
Hauler has also released the M35 and the M1 8" gun :
http://www.hauler.cz/e-shop/1-72-construction-kits-6
H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 - 05:38 AM UTC
Once again,Frenchie comes through with every answer possible! I think I feel a scratchbuild coming on. Is there any wheel that would be similar in 1/35? With tire? That would be the main hurdle for this I think.
J
J
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According to this page :
http://www.usarmymodels.com/ARTICLES/Tires/tires.html
the transport wagons were fitted with 18.00-24 tires...You may have a hard time finding these in 1/35th scale...Maybe you could use some Russian tires
EDIT : the MAZ-537 is fitted with 18.00-24 tires !
Just check out the writing on the wall
http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/armory/ac3501.html
H.P.
http://www.usarmymodels.com/ARTICLES/Tires/tires.html
the transport wagons were fitted with 18.00-24 tires...You may have a hard time finding these in 1/35th scale...Maybe you could use some Russian tires
EDIT : the MAZ-537 is fitted with 18.00-24 tires !
Just check out the writing on the wall
http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/armory/ac3501.html
H.P.
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I am fairly sure the ones shown in this US photo ARE the Russian tires - judging by the tread pattern!
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As long as we are talking about large US prime movers that no one builds a 1/35 model of along with large US artillery that also no one offers a model of in 1/35, I submit the faithful old Mack NO6.
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I REALLY wish someone would do the 240mm gun and the T-17/-1 transport carriages in 1/35th. Oh well the armor model industry is expanding soooooooo much these days it is just not fair for me to want one of EVERYTHING!
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That is an interesting gun limber. Looks like elements of the stuart tank were used?
I also think those were the russian tires on the beast in the previous post.
I would love to scratchbuild this but the wheels are a stumbling block as my buddy that used to do my lathe work passed away.
J
I also think those were the russian tires on the beast in the previous post.
I would love to scratchbuild this but the wheels are a stumbling block as my buddy that used to do my lathe work passed away.
J
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Posted: Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 11:29 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I'm not 100% sure about that, but maybe the M4 High Speed Tractor is another option :
H.P.
Yep, the M4 HST was used to tow both the Long Tom and the 8"
John
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Quoted Text
Quoted Text
I'm not 100% sure about that, but maybe the M4 High Speed Tractor is another option :
Yep, the M4 HST was used to tow both the Long Tom and the 8"
The M4 HST will not work to tow a 240mm howitzer or 8-inch gun. The M4 HST towed the 155mm gun and 8-inch howitzer.
KL
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Posted: Thursday, May 09, 2013 - 11:53 AM UTC
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I REALLY wish someone would do the 240mm gun and the T-17/-1 transport carriages in 1/35th.
Those carriages were never used, you know.
KL
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I suspect the M4 HST was a little on the lite side to be towing the 240mm.
And yes, I do know the T 17 & T 17-1 were never put into production hence the "T" designation but with some well detailed plans it would be so T-empting to cut up Stuart and Sherman suspensions to build them!
And yes, I do know the T 17 & T 17-1 were never put into production hence the "T" designation but with some well detailed plans it would be so T-empting to cut up Stuart and Sherman suspensions to build them!
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The M4 HST will not work to tow a 240mm howitzer or 8-inch gun.
Thanks for the confirmation Kurt.
H.P.
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They do make so many models of the "paper panzers" so you would think it wouldn't be too much of a stratch to make some GI "paper tanks"?
Anyone know if there are good refs with scale drawings of the large guns? Nuts and bolts or something along the lines of a TM. Anything?
J
Anyone know if there are good refs with scale drawings of the large guns? Nuts and bolts or something along the lines of a TM. Anything?
J
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Here are two TMs that may fit the bill :
TM 9-336 "8 Inch Gun M1 and carriage M2"
TM 9-341 "240mm Howitzer Materiel M1"
Not sure you can find them online (for free at least ), contrary to the Field Manual for these guns (no scale drawings but several battery and details pics) :
http://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/utils/getfile/collection/p15040coll1/id/651/filename/652.pdf
H.P.
TM 9-336 "8 Inch Gun M1 and carriage M2"
TM 9-341 "240mm Howitzer Materiel M1"
Not sure you can find them online (for free at least
), contrary to the Field Manual for these guns (no scale drawings but several battery and details pics) :http://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/utils/getfile/collection/p15040coll1/id/651/filename/652.pdf
H.P.
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Posted: Friday, May 10, 2013 - 02:18 AM UTC
Quoted Text
And yes, I do know the T 17 & T 17-1 were never put into production hence the "T" designation but with some well detailed plans it would be so T-empting to cut up Stuart and Sherman suspensions to build them!
The T designation isn't really indicative of the production status of WW II items. We made 250 T23 medium tanks but 20 M6 heavies; thousands of T17 Staghounds but only a handful of M7 medium tanks; 300 T19, 500 T30, and 1000 T48 half-track motor carriages and only 100 M12 155mm.
My point being though, you originally posted that you'd like to see these carriages in plastic. With one or two made and no service, that's really just fantasy.
KL
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Quoted Text
They do make so many models of the "paper panzers" so you would think it wouldn't be too much of a stratch to make some GI "paper tanks"?
As one of my contacts at a large Far East manufacturer wrote me, "modeling is a cutting throat business." In the end, decisions are based on perceived future sales, period.
KL
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The M4 HST towed the 155mm gun and 8-inch howitzer.
KL
My Bad
I didn't specify it was the howitzer. Thanks for clearing it up Kurt
John
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OK,In the absence of any line drawings of the big gun I ask this. How accurate is the small scale offering posted earlier in my thread here?
I am thinking maybe I could scale up the smaller kit if I start out with an accurate small kit?
Was that pic of the real gun taken in Aberdeen? I am fairly close to there and could drive down for measurements.
J
I am thinking maybe I could scale up the smaller kit if I start out with an accurate small kit?
Was that pic of the real gun taken in Aberdeen? I am fairly close to there and could drive down for measurements.
J
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The pics above have been taken at Aberdeen Proving Ground indeed (you can find more pics on Flickr). Here's a in-box review of the Hauler M1 240mm Howitzer kit :
http://www.smallscaleafv.com/ANG/Novinky10/72_M1_240mm_how.htm
(+ Steve Zaloga's feedback )
H.P.
http://www.smallscaleafv.com/ANG/Novinky10/72_M1_240mm_how.htm
(+ Steve Zaloga's feedback )
H.P.
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