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Re: M4 Sherman's Popularity
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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 05:13 PM UTC

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PS- The M4A3E8 CONSISTENTLY killed T-34s in Korea... Just thought I'd throw that in, in addition to my "lovefest"-speech regarding "Dame M4"...



More to do with the quality of Crew training than the actual vehicle which were pretty similar in capability.

Al
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Posted: Thursday, June 20, 2013 - 05:18 PM UTC

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I recommend A book called Death traps written by Belton cooper who was tasked with coordinating recovery and reissue of Battle damaged tanks from Normandy through to Wars end he outlines how stubborn High command were to change some tactics and equipment he also outlines technical deficiencies on both sides he also stated losses of 500 percent from Normandy to To VE Day he details how the Pershing could have shortened the war if not saved many lives if they had of fielded it earlier By the time Ardennes rolled around Infantry soldiers were being given crash courses in being an M4 Crew as the losses of trained tank crews were staggering he also stated that the M4 was grossly unmatched to German Armor Please don't take this as my expert opinion only what I have read and was shocked by what he details in his book as I said If your interested in the M4 then this is a must read cheers Ben



Having read Coopers book I sympathise with him but cannot agree with his conclusions. A far more reasoned and balanced study would be Steve Zalogas Armoured Thunderbolt which is recommended to anyone who is studying or interested in armoured warfare of World war 2. He soundly debunks a lot of Coopers emotionally based conclusions which mere made without access to all the factors just the end results.
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Posted: Friday, June 21, 2013 - 11:49 PM UTC

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I recommend A book called Death traps written by Belton cooper who was tasked with coordinating recovery and reissue of Battle damaged tanks from Normandy through to Wars end he outlines how stubborn High command were to change some tactics and equipment he also outlines technical deficiencies on both sides he also stated losses of 500 percent from Normandy to To VE Day he details how the Pershing could have shortened the war if not saved many lives if they had of fielded it earlier By the time Ardennes rolled around Infantry soldiers were being given crash courses in being an M4 Crew as the losses of trained tank crews were staggering he also stated that the M4 was grossly unmatched to German Armor Please don't take this as my expert opinion only what I have read and was shocked by what he details in his book as I said If your interested in the M4 then this is a must read cheers Ben



Having read Coopers book I sympathise with him but cannot agree with his conclusions. A far more reasoned and balanced study would be Steve Zalogas Armoured Thunderbolt which is recommended to anyone who is studying or interested in armoured warfare of World war 2. He soundly debunks a lot of Coopers emotionally based conclusions which mere made without access to all the factors just the end results.
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Al



AGREED!!! I also have Steven Zaloga's "Armored Thunderbolt" book. It's a FASCINATING read! For further reading and info regarding M4 "How To" books, I highly recommend Mr.Zaloga's modeling books from OSPREY PUBLISHING- "Modeling US Armor of World War 2" and several of his other books: OSPREY MODELING 4: "Modeling the M3/M5 Stuart Light Tank", OSPREY MODELING 13: "Modeling US Tank Destroyers of World War II", OSPREY MODELING 35: "Modeling the US ARMY M4 (75mm) Sherman Medium Tank", and OSPREY MODELING 40: "Modeling the US Army M4 (76mm) Sherman Medium Tank"... ALL are EXTREMELY helpful and beautifully illustrated...
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Posted: Saturday, June 22, 2013 - 03:07 AM UTC
... don't forget Ampersand's "Son of Sherman Vol 1"
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Posted: Saturday, June 22, 2013 - 03:32 PM UTC

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... don't forget Ampersand's "Son of Sherman Vol 1"



ABSOLUTELY!!! "Sherman, Modelling the US M4 Sherman" Vol.1 by Pete Harlem is the Granddaddy of all 1/35 Sherman modelling books- I ESPECIALLY LIKE Mr. Harlem's chapter regarding WWII US OLIVE DRAB. No, My Friends, US OLIVE DRAB is certainly not all monotone TAMIYA XF-62. Various shades of OD, even on a single vehicle, are more the rule than the exception. Take THAT, all you Tri-tone German camo fans!!!

Can't wait until the new AMPERSAND "Son of Sherman" Volume 1, (reference book covering major variants of the real US M4-series Mediums) Volume 2, ("How To" reference book covers building the 1/35 M4-series described in Vol.1) and Volume 3, (reference book about the British & Commonwealth Shermans).
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Posted: Saturday, June 22, 2013 - 09:28 PM UTC

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... don't forget Ampersand's "Son of Sherman Vol 1"



Still bloody waiting Roy and a bit peeved at having to pay more via their "nominated" supplier. Then again HLJ is far better than Ampersands usual ridiculous postage costs so it will probably be swings and roundabouts. I know I WILL be more than happy with the book having had all these years to get excited about it and the excellent content.
Al



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Posted: Monday, June 24, 2013 - 11:36 AM UTC
I was fortunate enough to buy THE first copy of Pat's new Sherman book at AMPS in Atlanta. It is worth every penny AND the wait. The amount and quality of information in it is beyond fantastic. Looking forward to the modeling volume!!

Just my humble opinion, of course. Oh!! Almost forgot. Who wants a perfect kit anyway. Nearly perfect is good enough. Modeling is what comes next. :-)

Tom
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