hi all
the vehicle involved in the first Gulf War? I talk to experts
because I can not know the origin decette change
1 / Why was replaced by covering a wooden box?
2 / Is this a peculiarity to the desert?
3 / What is the unit, regiment?
thank you in advance
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M998 with wooden box
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Posted: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - 10:19 AM UTC
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Posted: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - 10:26 AM UTC
That's a field modification and they probably built it because the cloth covering was ripped up or they are trying to save it.
Posted: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - 01:22 PM UTC
Used to be very comman in the US Army. When I was in the 3d ACR back in the 80's many of our HQ vehicles were modified like that. Most of our 113's had wooden boxes built inside them and our Commo 2 1/2 ton was covered from front to rear with a large wooden shelter that even had an "attack" over the cab.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 - 02:13 PM UTC
Same with CUCV's. I remember at Harmony Church one of the Drill Sergeants asked who had carpentry skills. Two others and I volunteered and ended up building a similar box for it. We later found out the alternative was less fun for everyone else. A similar but better thing happened at jump school.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - 10:06 AM UTC
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That's a field modification and they probably built it because the cloth covering was ripped up or they are trying to save it.
Very good point, I had not thought
thank
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Posted: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - 10:19 AM UTC
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Used to be very comman in the US Army. When I was in the 3d ACR back in the 80's many of our HQ vehicles were modified like that. Most of our 113's had wooden boxes built inside them and our Commo 2 1/2 ton was covered from front to rear with a large wooden shelter that even had an "attack" over the cab.
this is very interesting but I would like to know the reason for these changes?
if it starts inside the 113's a wooden crate that is there just one reason?
thank you for this information
Posted: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - 10:37 AM UTC
Storage, plain and simple. Our 2 1/2 ton was built into a mobile commo shop with work benches and storage for spare parts etc. Going cross country is rough and stuff would be all over the place so we wanted to keep it tucked away and out of the way. We had three M113's in the HHT, medic, commo and maintanance, each was configured for the job and each section had thier own storage needs, mostly commo and maintanance. The commo track was also the jump TOC and range safety vehicle so it had a lot of uses. I can only assume that units are still doing this to vehicles and having the same needs
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Posted: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - 10:37 AM UTC
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Same with CUCV's. I remember at Harmony Church one of the Drill Sergeants asked who had carpentry skills. Two others and I volunteered and ended up building a similar box for it. We later found out the alternative was less fun for everyone else. A similar but better thing happened at jump school.
it is interesting to know that there was a lot of work carpenter on hummer! have you been taking photos of these arrangements ?
thank
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Posted: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - 02:34 PM UTC
Wooden build-ups are still somewhat common. In my Battery Command HMMWV in OIF (and stateside before) my driver and I made a lockable wooden storage box with a few cubby slots between and just behind the driver and passenger seats. We had a map storage slot on the roof between the driver and passenger. We also had a large box on top (only in OIF) to carry water and ration boxes. Lastly made a wall that divided the rear seat area from the rear cargo area to keep our gear from sliding forward.
Wood is an easy item for soldiers to get a hold of to make these buildup since it can be ordered through the supply system.
Wood is an easy item for soldiers to get a hold of to make these buildup since it can be ordered through the supply system.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 - 04:00 PM UTC
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Quoted TextSame with CUCV's. I remember at Harmony Church one of the Drill Sergeants asked who had carpentry skills. Two others and I volunteered and ended up building a similar box for it. We later found out the alternative was less fun for everyone else. A similar but better thing happened at jump school.
it is interesting to know that there was a lot of work carpenter on hummer! have you been taking photos of these arrangements ?
thank
Sorry, Harmony Church was not an environment not conducive to taking photos. Wish I had though.
A lot has changed. My son graduated Basic a few months ago (Harmony Church is no longer there) and trainees were posting to Facebook from their phones.
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Posted: Thursday, June 13, 2013 - 06:06 AM UTC
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Quoted TextQuoted TextSame with CUCV's. I remember at Harmony Church one of the Drill Sergeants asked who had carpentry skills. Two others and I volunteered and ended up building a similar box for it. We later found out the alternative was less fun for everyone else. A similar but better thing happened at jump school.
it is interesting to know that there was a lot of work carpenter on hummer! have you been taking photos of these arrangements ?
thank
Sorry, Harmony Church was not an environment not conducive to taking photos. Wish I had though.
A lot has changed. My son graduated Basic a few months ago (Harmony Church is no longer there) and trainees were posting to Facebook from their phones.
Congrats to your son and you Rob!
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Posted: Thursday, June 13, 2013 - 09:10 AM UTC
Talking about plywood and Humvees... These were/are used at Fort Bragg for a type of training called "Theater Immersion". In theater immersion the training units live on Forward Operating Bases or Fire-bases designed to simulate the living conditions in Afghanistan.
H.P.
H.P.
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Posted: Saturday, June 15, 2013 - 04:44 AM UTC
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Posted: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 - 09:16 AM UTC
That's looking good. Are you adding grain to the wood?
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Posted: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 - 07:07 AM UTC
Wow, looks really good ... great idea :-)
Cheers
Walter
Cheers
Walter
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Posted: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 - 08:40 AM UTC
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That's looking good. Are you adding grain to the wood?
thank you! yes you will see later wood effect
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Posted: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 - 08:50 AM UTC
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Wow, looks really good ... great idea :-)
Cheers
Walter
thank you, it is true that a picture can decide everything in the manufacture of a model
cheers
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Posted: Saturday, June 22, 2013 - 07:25 AM UTC
Looking good so far.
As far as the tires go, the kit ones (Italeri's originally, as most of the kit is, with a few added parts by Revell (soft top, brush guard, and winch bumper)) suck and are of a fictional tread. HMMWV tires never looked like that. The left side ones are of the older, bias ply tires. The right side ones are a newer, radial tire.
I would go with the radial tires if you are modeling anything past about 2000. If you notice, in your original pic from Gulf War 1, it has the bias ply tires. The newer HMMWVs in the pics posted by Frenchy have the radial tires.
As far as the tires go, the kit ones (Italeri's originally, as most of the kit is, with a few added parts by Revell (soft top, brush guard, and winch bumper)) suck and are of a fictional tread. HMMWV tires never looked like that. The left side ones are of the older, bias ply tires. The right side ones are a newer, radial tire.
I would go with the radial tires if you are modeling anything past about 2000. If you notice, in your original pic from Gulf War 1, it has the bias ply tires. The newer HMMWVs in the pics posted by Frenchy have the radial tires.
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Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 09:47 AM UTC
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Looking good so far.
As far as the tires go, the kit ones (Italeri's originally, as most of the kit is, with a few added parts by Revell (soft top, brush guard, and winch bumper)) suck and are of a fictional tread. HMMWV tires never looked like that. The left side ones are of the older, bias ply tires. The right side ones are a newer, radial tire.
I would go with the radial tires if you are modeling anything past about 2000. If you notice, in your original pic from Gulf War 1, it has the bias ply tires. The newer HMMWVs in the pics posted by Frenchy have the radial tires.
Hi Gino
I know the tire Revell is wrong when the other two tires, they are both radial carcass. Memory there must be two to three tire tread until 2000.
In this case I will use the model left but resin
Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 10:11 AM UTC
I have photos of the bias ply tires still being in use in 2011. They were not common in 2011.
http://www.hmmwvinscale.com/goodyearwranglerrtii.htm
These photos were of the tires on a M998 Cargo HMMWV belonging to the Arkansas National Guard in 2011.
http://www.hmmwvinscale.com/goodyearwranglerrtii.htm
These photos were of the tires on a M998 Cargo HMMWV belonging to the Arkansas National Guard in 2011.
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Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 10:11 PM UTC
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I know the tire Revell is wrong when the other two tires, they are both radial carcass.
No, the one on the left, older style, were bias ply, not radials. Yes, they were used commonly up until about 2000.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 08:40 AM UTC
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I have photos of the bias ply tires still being in use in 2011. They were not common in 2011.
http://www.hmmwvinscale.com/goodyearwranglerrtii.htm
These photos were of the tires on a M998 Cargo HMMWV belonging to the Arkansas National Guard in 2011.
thank you for the info and the link, it is very interesting
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Posted: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 - 09:03 AM UTC