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Posted: Saturday, June 22, 2013 - 02:11 AM UTC
Two new softskin vehicles have been announced by ICM, including a larger scale German staff car and a 1/35 scale German truck.

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Posted: Saturday, June 22, 2013 - 02:39 AM UTC
Great. As if this couldn't have been included as an option in the original kit. Add a plastic ragtop to an existing kit and call it "new". What it boils down to is charging around 40 bucks for a single piece of styrene.
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Posted: Saturday, June 22, 2013 - 02:56 AM UTC
Damn. When I saw ICM I had hoped it might be a Gaz-63.
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Posted: Saturday, June 22, 2013 - 03:07 AM UTC
I commend ICM for going 1/24 scale, but question their choice of subject matter. How many staff cars will modelers buy versus 1/4 ton,3/4 ton or 2 1/2 ton.
Would love to see a 3/4 ton with the detail and quality of Skybow/AFV 1/35 scale Dodge in 1/24 scale.
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Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 05:46 AM UTC

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I commend ICM for going 1/24 scale, but question their choice of subject matter. How many staff cars will modelers buy versus 1/4 ton,3/4 ton or 2 1/2 ton.
Would love to see a 3/4 ton with the detail and quality of Skybow/AFV 1/35 scale Dodge in 1/24 scale.



Hi, All! I agree with armyguy! My opinion regarding ICM's releases of all these German (Read: NAZI) staff cars and trucks) reverts back to what I've been yelling about FOR YEARS!!! THERE IS A DEFINITE, AND OVERWHELMING BIAS WITHIN THE MODEL MANUFACTURERS' COMMUNITY FAVORING GERMAN WWII AFVS AND SOFTSKINS- US AND ALLIED WWII AFVS AND SOFTSKINS HAVE BEEN SHORT-CHANGED EVER SINCE THE GREAT RENAISSANCE OF MODEL KITS BEGAN BACK IN THE 1980s!!!

The various model manufacturers have been force-feeding us with German stuff for so long and to such an oppressive degree that we have become BRAIN-WASHED into thinking that the only WWII vehicles and aircraft, ad nauseam, that are worth having HAVE TO BE GERMAN ONES!!!

I submit: The latest spate of 1/35 and 1/24 vehicles coming from ICM are GERMAN. Granted, if you're into 1/24-1/25 automobiles, the new 1/24 ICM German Staff Cars are welcome additions to that particular niche of modelling. HOWEVER- I must strongly agree with armyguy, in that we REALLY could have used some new 1/24 WWII US Jeeps and WC-series Dodges, and 1/24 US GMC CCKW 353 2.5-ton Cargo Truck. These vehicles would make EXCELLENT SUBJECTS!!!

There is already a 1/24 CCKW 353 Jimmy out there, (made by WESPE?) but this is A RESIN kit... We are also starting to see armor in 1/24, but of course, it WOULD have to be a GERMAN subject. To wit: TASCA/ASUKA's 1/24 Pz.Kpfw.II... (sigh) Can you imagine an M4-series tank in 1/24? I SURE CAN!!! How about it, TASCA/ASUKA???

CYBERHOBBY/DRAGON, in their latest press releases of 1/35 kits, show EIGHT "NEW!!!" WWII German kits, the vast majority of which are just the SAME OLD STUFF RE-PACKAGED IN NEW BOXES... There are only THREE releases of WWII Japanese subjects: The "NEW!!!" KA-MI Type 2 Amphibious Tank with Pontoons, and the "NEW!!!" Type 95 HA-GO Light Tank, serving in China, are both previous releases that have only been slightly modified with the addition of some new parts. The third "NEW!!!" Japanese release from DRAGON really is new, being the very welcome Japanese Infantry "Peleliu" Figures set.

Besides the Japanese "Peleliu" figure set, we have the new (REALLY!!!) 1/35 Vietnam-era M48A3 Type B, which looks like it's going to be a success story. I'll be buying one of those real soon... So, TWO out of TEN DRAGON kits really do qualify as new... Not bad, huh? What ever happened to that 1/35 US M3 Lee that DRAGON advertised in their upcoming products press releases some years ago? Poof! Gone...

Quite naturally, the 1/35 Aftermarket Parts Industry follows suit with material for all those multitudinous German AFVs and Softskins that glut the market. Another pet peeve of mine: 1/35 WWII German figure kits outnumber US and Allied subjects by a very real ratio of 12:1... And not only that, but these figures always seem to be sculpted in the same old poses, with pointing SS Officers predominating...

We sorely need US & Allied figures in relaxed, natural poses. New sets of US or Allied Infantry Squads of men "at rest", eating, cleaning their weapons, reading mail or waiting in a chow-line would be great! A few more ideas: a squad on patrol, and/or a squad in different poses being transported in a Deuce-and-a-half would be very welcome, I'm sure... What do you think, guys?

Sorry, I didn't mean to get away from the main subject of this forum. It was just a natural progression of my thoughts, springing up from armyguy's suggestions for 1/24 US & Allied WWII Softskins...
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Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 07:07 AM UTC
Dennis
Wow I thought I had said it all. I'll have to look for some of your previous posts. What forum should we use to vent our displeasure with the manufacturers.
I do not wish to make any one mad just would like to get their attention .
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Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 07:12 AM UTC

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I commend ICM for going 1/24 scale, but question their choice of subject matter. How many staff cars will modelers buy versus 1/4 ton,3/4 ton or 2 1/2 ton.
Would love to see a 3/4 ton with the detail and quality of Skybow/AFV 1/35 scale Dodge in 1/24 scale.



If one is planning a really large diorama depicting German forces in Bohemia surrendering to American forces in May 1945, I guess the more, the merrier. now, if only ICM would produce a set of escaping Czech collaborator babes to fill up the seats in all these cars......
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Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 08:07 AM UTC
While I only build DML German armor and figures.. I get it, I really do. Having said that, DML does German well.. and I'll probably be slain for saying this, but myself and many others are irritated at the "range" of figures EVEN WITHIN THE GERMAN CONTEXT! To strengthen your argument while being on the other side of the fence, I submit: Almost all the new german fig sets contain exactly what he described.. An early war eastern front lot with some homo erotic SS man pointing or the landser standing straight and upright casually unscrewing the cap of his stick grenade. There exists a huge gap for late war western front figs even within the German subject area. For you guys, I really wish Bronco or some brand would step up and produce allied subjects the way DML does German just so D could focus on what they do well and sell. So I do sympathize with your frustrations. No offense intended, and I wish all of our military modeling bretheren the very best!
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Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 11:38 AM UTC
Hi, All! Thanks, Guys for all your supportive feedback!!! I just want to clear up a few of the comments that I made in my last post within this particular forum. I AM NOT AGAINST modelling German WWII subjects. I DO model German subjects and I DO have multiples of the same vehicle, primarily to display the evolutionary process in the service life of said vehicle.

For example: In the DRAGON Sd.Kfz.234(8 Rad) Heavy Armored Car series, I have one of each type, namely the Sd.Kfz.234/1, /2, /3, and the /4 variants. So now DRAGON has released their latest "NEW!!!" Sd.Kfz.234/4 kit with "pose-able" wheels. Well and good- It's nice to have a vehicle kit that contains these extra parts so the finished product has a more "candid" appearance. We can be reasonably sure that DRAGON will follow suit with the rest of their "234" series, featuring the "pose-able" wheels of the /4 kit, and advertising these follow-on kits as "NOW WITH ALL NEW TOOLING!!!"

Nooo, only the suspension components that enable the wheels to be posed will be new. I seriously DOUBT that DRAGON would be foolish enough to re-tool the entire kit... I don't know how many of you are familiar with plastic injection molding, but the R&D, Engineering, Machining of the New Slide Molding Assemblies, etc. will run into the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of DOLLARS. A typical 2-piece mold averages a cost of $35,000.00; The tooling costs for a multiple-piece SLIDE MOLD rise exponentially in accordance with it's complexity... That's just another reason why plastic model kits featuring Slide Molding have become so expensive, the price of the petroleum-based plastics notwithstanding...

So what is it EXACTLY that I take issue with? First and foremost, as I mentioned in my last post in this forum, is the UNFAIR BIAS IN FAVOR OF WWII GERMAN VEHICLES & FIGURES IN PROPORTION TO THE NUMBER OF US & ALLIED SUBJECTS... The possibilities for US & Allied WWII AFVs, Softskins and Figure kits are just as plentiful in subject matter as their German counterparts, perhaps more so... That, and the repetitious issuance of the SAME OLD THING IN A NEW BOX that we are constantly being force-fed with...

For example: DRAGON has seen fit to release ANOTHER StuG.III Ausf.F. This time the StuG. is depicted as serving in Italy. OK, so what's SO DIFFERENT about this Stug.III Ausf.F? A different muffler? Hmm. Different tracks, maybe? OH! I KNOW! DRAGON changed one of the Tool Clasps!!! Ditto for their LATEST "NEW!!!" s.IG.33 auf Pz.Kpfw.III(Sfl.) Oh, for Pete's SAKE!!! THE GERMANS ONLY MADE 30 OF THESE SILLY THINGS!!! What is the justification in releasing this kit, which is essentially the same vehicle as their prior s.IG33 Pz.III? HA! I KNOW! THE BOX ART FEATURES A TRI-COLOR CAMO EXAMPLE, which is so much more eye-catching than the previous Panzer Gray version!!!

Having said that, DRAGON has also released ANOTHER Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf.D, this time.... In AFRIKA KORPS guise... Wow... How exciting... DRAGON is doing EXACTLY the same thing as HASEGAWA and TAMIYA have been doing for years, (and getting away with it) with their aircraft kits... Re-boxing the same old kit in a new box.

Most 1/35 figure manufacturers, especially ALPINE, have been coming out with the same old pointing SS Tanker Aces for quite some time now. Admittedly, ALPINE features some of THE BEST sculpting in the whole world. BUT PLEASE!!! Can't we benefit from some new US & ALLIED subjects IN DIFFERENT POSES? How about a boxed set of a US Rifle Squad on patrol? Ditto for a boxed set of US Infantry seated in a US Deuce-and-a-half? In various poses, PLEEEEAASE..? The possibilities are endless, really- A boxed set of a US Rifle Squad "At Rest", reading mail, eating, having a "cuppa joe", cleaning their weapons, dozing... I'm SURE that all you guys that have supported me in this forum could come up with A LOT of great ideas for new subject matter... Again, THANKS GUYS, FOR YOUR VERY WELCOME SUPPORT!!!
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HI, Dave/armyguy! Personally, I will use ANY forum or review to put forth my protests against the OVERWHELMING predominance of "NEW!!!" German AFVs, Softskins, and Figures. Maybe, just MAYBE, if enough of us WWII US & Allied fans band together as a united front, voicing our desires and enthusiasm in favor of more non-German WWII kits and figures, the various manufacturers might listen to us. But I doubt it. And as figures go, I don't mean pointing Soviet Officers, either... Or for that matter, pointing US, British and Commonwealth Officers...

If you're into US & Allied equipment, check out what's going on at MIRROR MODELS with their upcoming releases: Morris Commercials, the various British/Commonwealth Fords and Chevrolets, US T968 and T969 Diamond T Cargo Trucks and Heavy Wreckers, US Caterpillar D7s and US Indian 741B MP Motorcycles. HOBBY BOSS has also announced a US White 666 Hard Cab Cargo Truck, and an M19 Tank Transporter Tractor-Trailer kit!!! Have you seen the new BRONCO British Airborne M22 Locust and US M22 T9E1 kits yet? At least SOME of the plastic kit manufacturers are making an effort to wake up and smell the roses...

Another pet peeve of mine: TAMIYA has seen fit to re-release A LOT of their more recent 1/35 kits with the addition of ABER PE kits, and THEN PUNCHING US BETWEEN THE EYES BY RAISING THE RETAIL LIST PRICE OF THESE "NEW!!!" KITS TO TWICE OR THREE TIMES THE ORIGINAL PRICING!!! DO THEY THINK WE'RE ALL STUPID, OR WHAT?!? No thanks, I'll surf eBay, and buy the original kit, and a separate PE kit for A MERE FRACTION of what those thieves at TAMIYA expect us to pay!!! It's INSULTING!!!
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Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 11:06 PM UTC

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Damn. When I saw ICM I had hoped it might be a Gaz-63.



AGREED!!!
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Posted: Sunday, June 23, 2013 - 11:17 PM UTC

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Dennis
Wow I thought I had said it all. I'll have to look for some of your previous posts. What forum should we use to vent our displeasure with the manufacturers.
I do not wish to make any one mad just would like to get their attention .



Hey, Dave/armyguy! Maybe the kit manufacturers NEED TO GET MAD!!! Believe me, I've been bugging ALL of them for years, by writing letters, sending emails, carrier pigeons, you name it!!! TO NO AVAIL!!! As I said before, maybe if we all put together a UNITED FRONT, the manufacturers MIGHT listen to us. Individual letters, emails or rants on Hobby site Modelers' Forums won't accomplish ANYTHING with these jokers!!!

Dave, I don't quite know how you might be able to access my other posts- Maybe if you check my profile: m4a1sherman
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Dennis: You certainly can share your opinions of the seeming "mis-direction" of model company choices but I see things vastly differently.

Firstly, I'm a huge Allied WW2 builder -- I love Allied subjects. But I also mn not a planning manager or business analyst for any of the major model companies. My thought is this: whatever it takes for companies to be profitable (in order for them to make my preferred Allied models), then I'm all for it. Whether it be the 50th iteration of a Tiger tank to pink-painted Anime tanks w/girl figurines, what does it matter to me? Why should it matter to you?

For instance, when Tamiya issued the 1/35 German Elefant, the typical chorus of jeers came out -- ususally from people upset that "their" pet subject was still not issued.

I think this is frankly, supremely un-informed thinking. Where were these people when Tamiya issued 15 model aircraft, 80 automobiles/racing cars, 20 1/48 subjects and 30 modeling tools that same month? Did they COMPLAIN that Tamiya was mis-directing its resources away from the next 1/35 Allied gem in favor of a 1/25 Formula one racer? Did you see "how dare they produce a 1/72 Apache AH-1 attack copter!! I'm boycotting Tamiya until the make a 1/35 Pacific soft-cab Dragon Wagon. I'll never buy another Tamiya kit again!!!"

Of course not. They were ignorant of Tamiya's vast holdings and other markets. But issue a German 1/35 subject instead of {insert your favorite subject here}? Omigod. Grab the pitchforks and torches and march to Tamiya headquarters.

Business Basics 101. They are here to make money, not satisfy our model-geekiness, fomented in our little workshops, drooling over Squadron In Action books.

So to people complaining about a "bias" of companies, I say this:

a) become like Peter Jackson and plow multi-millions into your own pet startup company. Direct them to cut molds of your favorite subjects w/o regard to profit

b) Why should you care what model companies make as long as they make good business decisions? If DML chooses to take a few years away from 1/35 to develop other markets, make a mint, and then return as a behemoth in the 1/35 market -- is this a bad thing? (BTW: this is EXACTLY what DML did. They practically stopped issuing 1/35, poured tremendous resources into 1/6th "Battle Barbies", revived that market and made a bucket of money to boot -- and re-entered the 1/35 market to quickly assume the premier position)

c) I don't know about most of you, but I can't believe you're so incredibly productive in your model-building as to even touch the amount of new Allied releases that have come out in the last five years. Look at your stash of untouched or incomplete Allied subjects -- and see if you can voice your COMPLAINTS the lack of new models coming out. Where's your Dragon Wagon? Your Archer? Your multiple Churchill tanks? Done with the M24? Done with the Ontos? How about that M42A1 Duster? Those Staghound kits built up in a snap, right? Surely the Tasca line was just a speed bump. Ready to decal that new Jeep and DML M16 MGMC? Your Long Tom and Char B1bis were done years ago, of course. You get the point.

d) There's no conspiracy afoot to STAY AWAY FROM ALLIED SUBJECTS. Often, not enough good reference material exist or there's an absence of surviving vehicles. Or, the project is so obscure as to not likely generate a return on investment (e.g. M3 (not M3A1) Scout Car). It's not as if company officials are sitting around, looking at white boards with allied subjects with great profit potential and choosing Berlin 1946 subjects with poor profit potential instead. Indeed, you see small makers (Mirror, Mini Art, ICM) taking chances with very odd allied subjects -- hoping to catch a little of the market.

e) petitions? Online rants? Sorry but you and your buddies' $2000 annual modeling budget isn't even a consideration. The Japanese home market is the single biggest model buying entity extant. That drives all decisions (think about the 1/48 revival). China will probably come next. You're better off spending more time trying to reduce your own stash just to enjoy the tsunami of Allied kits already sitting on the hobby store shelves. Want to petition or protest? Go to the local women's shelter or food pantry. Donate some kits to the local VA hospital or soldier/sailors/airmen stationed overseas. Volunteer at USO events. Getting bothered over stupid plastic that will be in a land fill in 30-40 years? No way.

Anti-rant rant over.
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Sorry but you and your buddies' $2000 annual modeling budget isn't even a consideration. The Japanese home market is the single biggest model buying entity extant.



I've said this many times on this very forum. It's not conjecture - it came straight from Mr. Tamiya when we met in 1996.
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Dennis: You certainly can share your opinions of the seeming "mis-direction" of model company choices but I see things vastly differently.

Firstly, I'm a huge Allied WW2 builder -- I love Allied subjects. But I also mn not a planning manager or business analyst for any of the major model companies. My thought is this: whatever it takes for companies to be profitable (in order for them to make my preferred Allied models), then I'm all for it. Whether it be the 50th iteration of a Tiger tank to pink-painted Anime tanks w/girl figurines, what does it matter to me? Why should it matter to you?

For instance, when Tamiya issued the 1/35 German Elefant, the typical chorus of jeers came out -- ususally from people upset that "their" pet subject was still not issued.

I think this is frankly, supremely un-informed thinking. Where were these people when Tamiya issued 15 model aircraft, 80 automobiles/racing cars, 20 1/48 subjects and 30 modeling tools that same month? Did they COMPLAIN that Tamiya was mis-directing its resources away from the next 1/35 Allied gem in favor of a 1/25 Formula one racer? Did you see "how dare they produce a 1/72 Apache AH-1 attack copter!! I'm boycotting Tamiya until the make a 1/35 Pacific soft-cab Dragon Wagon. I'll never buy another Tamiya kit again!!!"

Of course not. They were ignorant of Tamiya's vast holdings and other markets. But issue a German 1/35 subject instead of {insert your favorite subject here}? Omigod. Grab the pitchforks and torches and march to Tamiya headquarters.

Business Basics 101. They are here to make money, not satisfy our model-geekiness, fomented in our little workshops, drooling over Squadron In Action books.

So to people complaining about a "bias" of companies, I say this:

a) become like Peter Jackson and plow multi-millions into your own pet startup company. Direct them to cut molds of your favorite subjects w/o regard to profit

b) Why should you care what model companies make as long as they make good business decisions? If DML chooses to take a few years away from 1/35 to develop other markets, make a mint, and then return as a behemoth in the 1/35 market -- is this a bad thing? (BTW: this is EXACTLY what DML did. They practically stopped issuing 1/35, poured tremendous resources into 1/6th "Battle Barbies", revived that market and made a bucket of money to boot -- and re-entered the 1/35 market to quickly assume the premier position)

c) I don't know about most of you, but I can't believe you're so incredibly productive in your model-building as to even touch the amount of new Allied releases that have come out in the last five years. Look at your stash of untouched or incomplete Allied subjects -- and see if you can voice your COMPLAINTS the lack of new models coming out. Where's your Dragon Wagon? Your Archer? Your multiple Churchill tanks? Done with the M24? Done with the Ontos? How about that M42A1 Duster? Those Staghound kits built up in a snap, right? Surely the Tasca line was just a speed bump. Ready to decal that new Jeep and DML M16 MGMC? Your Long Tom and Char B1bis were done years ago, of course. You get the point.

d) There's no conspiracy afoot to STAY AWAY FROM ALLIED SUBJECTS. Often, not enough good reference material exist or there's an absence of surviving vehicles. Or, the project is so obscure as to not likely generate a return on investment (e.g. M3 (not M3A1) Scout Car). It's not as if company officials are sitting around, looking at white boards with allied subjects with great profit potential and choosing Berlin 1946 subjects with poor profit potential instead. Indeed, you see small makers (Mirror, Mini Art, ICM) taking chances with very odd allied subjects -- hoping to catch a little of the market.

e) petitions? Online rants? Sorry but you and your buddies' $2000 annual modeling budget isn't even a consideration. The Japanese home market is the single biggest model buying entity extant. That drives all decisions (think about the 1/48 revival). China will probably come next. You're better off spending more time trying to reduce your own stash just to enjoy the tsunami of Allied kits already sitting on the hobby store shelves. Want to petition or protest? Go to the local women's shelter or food pantry. Donate some kits to the local VA hospital or soldier/sailors/airmen stationed overseas. Volunteer at USO events. Getting bothered over stupid plastic that will be in a land fill in 30-40 years? No way.

Anti-rant rant over.



Hey! I'm not going to fight with you, but you've got quite a rant of your own going there! T think that I've been pretty productive over the last 55 years that I've been modelling... If there's a Tsunami of ALLIED stuff coming our way, what do you call all that GERMAN stuff out there, a puddle? Go ahead and COUNT all the 1/35 German kits out there and compare that figure to how many Allied kits have hit the market. Lack of vehicles or reference material? Please- there are A LOT more REAL Allied vehicles at WWII reenactments than there are German ones. If you don't like my rant- don't read it... Have a nice day
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Posted: Monday, June 24, 2013 - 06:17 AM UTC

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Business Basics 101. They are here to make money, not satisfy our model-geekiness, .



Eric are not those two things one and the same? Make the geeks happy and make money.

I vote for more Allied subjects; be it a new Deuce and a Half or a USATC S-160 Lend/Lease locomotive!
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Dennis: You certainly can share your opinions of the seeming "mis-direction" of model company choices but I see things vastly differently.

Firstly, I'm a huge Allied WW2 builder -- I love Allied subjects. But I also mn not a planning manager or business analyst for any of the major model companies. My thought is this: whatever it takes for companies to be profitable (in order for them to make my preferred Allied models), then I'm all for it. Whether it be the 50th iteration of a Tiger tank to pink-painted Anime tanks w/girl figurines, what does it matter to me? Why should it matter to you?

For instance, when Tamiya issued the 1/35 German Elefant, the typical chorus of jeers came out -- ususally from people upset that "their" pet subject was still not issued.

I think this is frankly, supremely un-informed thinking. Where were these people when Tamiya issued 15 model aircraft, 80 automobiles/racing cars, 20 1/48 subjects and 30 modeling tools that same month? Did they COMPLAIN that Tamiya was mis-directing its resources away from the next 1/35 Allied gem in favor of a 1/25 Formula one racer? Did you see "how dare they produce a 1/72 Apache AH-1 attack copter!! I'm boycotting Tamiya until the make a 1/35 Pacific soft-cab Dragon Wagon. I'll never buy another Tamiya kit again!!!"

Of course not. They were ignorant of Tamiya's vast holdings and other markets. But issue a German 1/35 subject instead of {insert your favorite subject here}? Omigod. Grab the pitchforks and torches and march to Tamiya headquarters.

Business Basics 101. They are here to make money, not satisfy our model-geekiness, fomented in our little workshops, drooling over Squadron In Action books.

So to people complaining about a "bias" of companies, I say this:

a) become like Peter Jackson and plow multi-millions into your own pet startup company. Direct them to cut molds of your favorite subjects w/o regard to profit

b) Why should you care what model companies make as long as they make good business decisions? If DML chooses to take a few years away from 1/35 to develop other markets, make a mint, and then return as a behemoth in the 1/35 market -- is this a bad thing? (BTW: this is EXACTLY what DML did. They practically stopped issuing 1/35, poured tremendous resources into 1/6th "Battle Barbies", revived that market and made a bucket of money to boot -- and re-entered the 1/35 market to quickly assume the premier position)

c) I don't know about most of you, but I can't believe you're so incredibly productive in your model-building as to even touch the amount of new Allied releases that have come out in the last five years. Look at your stash of untouched or incomplete Allied subjects -- and see if you can voice your COMPLAINTS the lack of new models coming out. Where's your Dragon Wagon? Your Archer? Your multiple Churchill tanks? Done with the M24? Done with the Ontos? How about that M42A1 Duster? Those Staghound kits built up in a snap, right? Surely the Tasca line was just a speed bump. Ready to decal that new Jeep and DML M16 MGMC? Your Long Tom and Char B1bis were done years ago, of course. You get the point.

d) There's no conspiracy afoot to STAY AWAY FROM ALLIED SUBJECTS. Often, not enough good reference material exist or there's an absence of surviving vehicles. Or, the project is so obscure as to not likely generate a return on investment (e.g. M3 (not M3A1) Scout Car). It's not as if company officials are sitting around, looking at white boards with allied subjects with great profit potential and choosing Berlin 1946 subjects with poor profit potential instead. Indeed, you see small makers (Mirror, Mini Art, ICM) taking chances with very odd allied subjects -- hoping to catch a little of the market.

e) petitions? Online rants? Sorry but you and your buddies' $2000 annual modeling budget isn't even a consideration. The Japanese home market is the single biggest model buying entity extant. That drives all decisions (think about the 1/48 revival). China will probably come next. You're better off spending more time trying to reduce your own stash just to enjoy the tsunami of Allied kits already sitting on the hobby store shelves. Want to petition or protest? Go to the local women's shelter or food pantry. Donate some kits to the local VA hospital or soldier/sailors/airmen stationed overseas. Volunteer at USO events. Getting bothered over stupid plastic that will be in a land fill in 30-40 years? No way.

Anti-rant rant over.



Hey! I'm not going to fight with you, but you've got quite a rant of your own going there! I think that I've been pretty productive over the last 55 years that I've been modelling... I'm going to ask you to please not assume things about me that you don't know.

If there's a Tsunami of ALLIED stuff coming our way, what do you call all that GERMAN stuff out there, a puddle? Go ahead and COUNT all the 1/35 German kits out there and compare that figure to how many Allied kits have hit the market. I think that you just might find quite a numerical disparity there... Lack of vehicles or reference material? Please- there are A LOT more REAL Allied vehicles at WWII reenactments than there are German ones. If you don't like my rant- don't read it... Have a nice day



PS- I've built 2 TAMIYA Dragon Wagons, 32 DIFFERENT M4 Mediums, including 105mm and Jumbo versions from DRAGON, TASCA, ITALERI, TAMIYA and now-discontinued FORMATIONS CONVERSIONS, (not counting British & Commonwealth Shermans) 2 M16 AA Halftracks, 2 M3A1 Halftracks, 1 M2A1 Halftrack, HOBBY BOSS, TAMIYA and DRAGON M26 Pershings, ENDLESS JEEPS, a TASCA M32B1 ARV, 2 M31 ARV conversions, Early and Mid Production DRAGON M7s HMC, an AFV CLUB M5A1 with TMD M8 HMC Full Conversion, 2 M24 Chaffees, one of which was a discontinued VERY LIMITED EDITION of a FORMATIONS CONVERSION for the old ITALERI M24 and of course, the other Chaffee is the BRONCO US WWII M24.

I've done all kinds of AFV CLUB Dodge WC-series trucks, including 2 Kit-bashed AFV CLUB and ITALERI WC-54 Ambulances. Have also built 2 of the marginal ACADEMY US M3A1 & 1 British Stuart with TMD "Correction" kits, and 4 AFV CLUB M5A1 Early and Late Types with TMD Corrections, PLUS an AFV CLUB M5A1 with TMD's M5 "Backdate" Conversion

I've built multiples of just about every DRAGON & TAMIYA Pz.Kpfw.III and Pz.Kpfw.IV kit, all of the Panthers, Tiger Is and IIs on the market at least once, all of those weirdo German vehicles based on the 38(t) Chassis, probably a dozen or more different German Halftracks and Prime Movers, all kinds 1/35 WII Soviet stuff and I can go on for about 18 more pages enumerating my WWII 1/35 stuff, blah, blah, blah, ad nauseam...

Guess what? I ALSO model WWI and Pre-WWII stuff, (Have YOU ever sweated over an EASTERN EXPRESS BT-5 and COMMANDER MODELS T3 Christie Conversion?) real cool Modern-day Armor and Softskins, plus some Vietnam-era stuff here and there. I won't bore you, so I'll let the 1/35 collection rest for now.

I love 1/48 Aircraft; I was in on the "Great 1/48 Aircraft Renaissance", and I must have bought just about every new release during that time... (In multiples, of course...) PLEASE DON'T ASK ME HOW MANY P-51s, P-47s, Fw.190s, Bf.109s, Zeros, Avengers, Mosquitoes, blah, blah, blah, that I've built. It's embarrassing...

I'm into HO Steam Era Brass Locomotives and the better Plastic/Brass Hybrids such as the ones that BROADWAY LIMITED make. No, no layout- I need the room for all of my plastic endeavors.

I'm into kits and die-cast (Franklin and Danbury Mints) 1/24-1/25 Classic Cars as well. "Pure" Classic Cars are anything older than 1949, according to the Lord High Whoopdie-Doopdies at the Pebble Beach Concourse. Who cares what they say? May I mention that I'm also a Figure painter? Yes, 1/35, 54mm-120mm. I build 1/350 Ships, when I GET BORED...

I consider myself very fortunate to have been able to afford all this junk, and I also have my own workshop with 3 work benches, 4 airbrushes and compressors, and probably about $1000.00 worth of tools. Paints? I don't even want to go there.

I've donated kits to all kinds of charities and have sent kits to our heroes back when we were still in Iraq. No USO nearby, otherwise I'd probably be haunting the place. I became disabled about 3 years ago, so now I have even more time to devote to my various hobbies, quirks and foibles.

Before I became disabled, I used to go to various World War II reenactments- Yes, I collect WWII Uniforms as well... All except two of them are representative of General Officers' Dress Uniforms. (US NAVY Rear Admiral's Blues (Aviator) and US 5th Cavalry Colonel, circa 1920s-1930s)

All of that, and I STILL manage to have time to read my books and post rants on this hobby site!!!

By the way- I spent 25 years in the automobile business (sales, service and parts), worked in the plastic molding, AND CNC Machine-Tooling sectors; I've run a warehouse, and my last job was in the Pharmaceutical Industry (R&D, Engineering & Production Interface) so, I think I may know just a little bit about production costs. About $40-million dollars goes into R&D before any US-made Prescription-only pharmaceutical product hits your pharmacy... That's average... Did you read in one of my other posts what I said regarding the cost of a 2-piece plastic injection mold? So yeah, I've got an idea of the costs involved before a lot of different things hit the open market...

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Business Basics 101. They are here to make money, not satisfy our model-geekiness, .



Eric are not those two things one and the same? Make the geeks happy and make money.

I vote for more Allied subjects; be it a new Deuce and a Half or a USATC S-160 Lend/Lease locomotive!



Hi, Mike! Thanks for your support! YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT!!! If it weren't for us "GEEKS", even WITH the Japanese "Home Market", Mr.Tamiya would be in the "Hurt-Locker"!!!
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Even though it is German, I hope ICM comes through with 4-5 versions of the little Blitz like they did with the Mercades 2x4 and 4x4's.. There was a panel truck version that was used for deliveries. Also another panel truck with 2 to 4 big speakers on the roof as a propaganda vehicle. Then an ambulance plus a firetruck!
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As has already been said, it looks like Mirror Models has we Allies taken care of with all the CMP trucks and HobbyBoss is doings he same with the White US 6 ton in either straight truck or with the Holmes wrecker body. Then someone is supposedly doing the Diamond T with Rogers trailer so I think the Allies are ready.

Oh, and let's not forget the Austin Tilly that Papa Tamiya came out with.
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As has already been said, it looks like Mirror Models has we Allies taken care of with all the CMP trucks and HobbyBoss is doings he same with the White US 6 ton in either straight truck or with the Holmes wrecker body. Then someone is supposedly doing the Diamond T with Rogers trailer so I think the Allies are ready.

Oh, and let's not forget the Austin Tilly that Papa Tamiya came out with.



Hi, All! Yeah, I posted nearly the very same things on another forum that Mike just did on this one! It's great that we're on the same track, here!!! MIRROR MODELS will also be doing a WWII US Caterpillar D7, a US MP Indian 741B Motorcycle and several Morris Commercials. That HOBBY BOSS M19 Tank Transporter with the Rogers Trailer will make a GREAT companion piece to TAMIYA's Dragon Wagon and M26 Armored Recovery Vehicle!!!

Tamiya's little 1/35 Citroen CV is a really nice little kit, too!!! I haven't got any of BRONCO's Topolino kits yet, but you can rest assured that they're on my list. They'll go very nice with all the cars that ICM's doing. Re: the box-body 3t Opel Blitz- there were also Ambulance, Fuel Bowser and Radio/Command versions on that chassis, both in 2x4 and 4x4. I built a couple of the old ITALERI Opels about 15 years ago- A 4x4 AFRIKA KORPS Ambulance box-body and a standard 2x4 in Panzergrau. The ITALERI Opels are STILL very viable kits. I also built one of the TAMIYA Opels- Never did get around to buying a DRAGON kit of same. How does the DRAGON kit stand up against the TAMIYA version? Anybody know? Or is there a comparison review out there on that subject? I'm sure that ICM will be doing 4x4 versions as well...

I've said this before on other forums, maybe even on this one- I'd like to see ICM do General Eisenhower's 1941 Packard and General Patton's 1939 Cadillac limo... I believe ICM (Or is it MINIART?) already does a couple of 1/35 Packards, but they are mid-1930s 7-passenger sedan models. The ZVEZDA 1/35 Mercedes L4500s and "Maultier" are great, too!

I've also got the new BRONCO British Airborne M22 Locust and the US (T9E7) M22- BEAUTIFUL LITTLE KITS, even with their "link and length" tracks. I know there are going to be a lot of guys cry-babying that the tracks should have been separate links, a la DRAGON's "Magic Tracks"... You know what? I'm VERY HAPPY with plastic "link and length" tracks that we've been seeing lately. TAMIYA's IS-2 and ISU-152 come to mind.

Something else just occurred to me- I'm going to have to do a little bit of research to find out if the M22/T9E7 had "live" tracks or not. One would think that the M22/T9E7 would have had "live" tracks, following suit with EVERY other US-built AFV, no? But then, the tracks on this vehicle were so tiny, maybe "live" tracks weren't necessary? I don't think it's very likely that BRONCO would have made such an obvious error, do you? Guess I'll go into my archives just to make sure... I've got one of those little AFV Profile books around here somewhere...
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Sorry but you and your buddies' $2000 annual modeling budget isn't even a consideration. The Japanese home market is the single biggest model buying entity extant.



I've said this many times on this very forum. It's not conjecture - it came straight from Mr. Tamiya when we met in 1996.



Hi! There's not a doubt in my mind that you're correct on this, but let me just say that these Oriental kit manufacturers would sorely miss our American & Canadian Dollars, British Pounds and European Union Euros that line their gigantic coffers, if we were actually dumb enough to boycott them. Of course, that's totally whacky, immature and unrealistic. I was only saying "maybe" in a "Pipe-Dream" sort of way. I'll bet that even if, say, 1000 of us petitioned these guys, we'd be ignored anyway...

Personally, and I'm more than likely the odd man out on this, I probably spend about $500.00-$600.00 A MONTH on my various hobby addictions, although there will be some dry spells in between, now and then. That happens when there isn't very much out there to catch my eye... I'm single and retired/disabled, so there isn't very much else for me to spend my "millions" on...
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