I would be interested in starting one, if anyone else would care to join in. An OIF campaign maybe?
Rob
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BroAbrams

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Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 07:15 PM UTC

Jurgen

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Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 08:47 PM UTC
HOAAAH! Count me in!!!
Don't know about the details... (don't make it too hard/difficult,I'm just an amateur...
) but I'm all for it!
Jurgen
Don't know about the details... (don't make it too hard/difficult,I'm just an amateur...

Jurgen


sgtreef

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Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 12:07 AM UTC
I might join also if time frame is good.
Now working on TD group build. Due end of Dec
Need to do a Panther for another group build no pe. Due in Feb
starting to work on M-10 for next years contest Pe on this one. Due June
See so what would be time frame on it?
As Jurgen said Please keep it simple!
Now working on TD group build. Due end of Dec
Need to do a Panther for another group build no pe. Due in Feb
starting to work on M-10 for next years contest Pe on this one. Due June
See so what would be time frame on it?

As Jurgen said Please keep it simple!

WeWillHold

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Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 03:39 AM UTC
Brother Abrams:
I'd be interested Rob.
I've got Trumpeter's M1A2 sitting in its unopened box --waiting for something to kick start it. Personally I'd be a little spooked building one at the same time as "Da Abram's Expert" -- but maybe I could get some tips to make the thing better---I'm game-- so please keep us posted.
Thanks
Signed
Abrams jr
I'd be interested Rob.
I've got Trumpeter's M1A2 sitting in its unopened box --waiting for something to kick start it. Personally I'd be a little spooked building one at the same time as "Da Abram's Expert" -- but maybe I could get some tips to make the thing better---I'm game-- so please keep us posted.
Thanks
Signed
Abrams jr

Grasshopp12

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Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 03:48 AM UTC
Count me in too. I picked up the Trumpeter M1A1HA a couple months back, as well as a set of ARcher Transfers barrel art. Keep us posted

GunTruck

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Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 04:17 AM UTC
I'd jump in there too Rob M - I'd also like something not too burdened with "rules". I really would like to build a model and learn some finer points about the Abrams MBT.
Gunnie
Gunnie
Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 08:12 AM UTC
:-) I might join this one, if I was able to continue where I left off
:-)
Mal



Mal

BroAbrams

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Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 08:17 AM UTC
Well, I think five makes enough. I am sure more will join in as time goes by. I think I will strike down the OIF campaign in favor of just an Abrams campaign. Jeff's post suggests a February to June window of opportunity. What are your thoughts on this? I am thinking along the lines of Gunnie, the fewer rules the better.
1. Must include an M1 series General Abrams MBT.
2. Any time frame, any variation, but it must be a true representation, no M1A5E2's from 2045. :-)
3. Sart date Feb 14th (thats my b-day :-) )
4. End date ?
5. Oddball rule that tests modelers skill.
What do you guys think?
Update: Mal makes six, and he wants to re-start a previously worked on model, so I don't see a probalem with that. But I think it should not be completed before everyone elses, so no more work can be done on it, Mal. I will do the same with the number two Abrams I am doing right now, but haven't done much on.
Rob
1. Must include an M1 series General Abrams MBT.
2. Any time frame, any variation, but it must be a true representation, no M1A5E2's from 2045. :-)
3. Sart date Feb 14th (thats my b-day :-) )
4. End date ?
5. Oddball rule that tests modelers skill.
What do you guys think?
Update: Mal makes six, and he wants to re-start a previously worked on model, so I don't see a probalem with that. But I think it should not be completed before everyone elses, so no more work can be done on it, Mal. I will do the same with the number two Abrams I am doing right now, but haven't done much on.
Rob
Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 08:48 AM UTC
Count me in, too. Nothing but time on my hands lately.


Jurgen

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Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 08:56 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Oddball rule that tests modelers skill.
-Could you perhaps explain that?
-So "Operation Iraqi Valentine" starting on feb 14th...?
-Is it gonna be the pure thing or are we dio-talking?
-Is it Februari yet?


BroAbrams

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Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 09:16 AM UTC
I donb't know what rule five is yet, but every campaign should have a good one. Any ideas?
Other than that, the rules will stand as is. If it fits in your opinion, then it is admissable.
Other than that, the rules will stand as is. If it fits in your opinion, then it is admissable.

turrettoad13

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Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 11:09 AM UTC
I guess i need to jump in on this one - any rule on scale ? i would like to try a 1/72 m1a1 for a change . I do have a few 1/35 th scale ideas that i would like to try . So count me in


BroAbrams

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Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 06:26 PM UTC
Okay, Carlton makes 8, I need two more to do a campaign. Any more volunteers?
How's this for rule number 5: The model must have another members name, who is in the campaign, on it somewhere. It can be real name, screen name, nickname whatever. Cannot be your own name. This would encompass putting the screen name as the tanks barrel name, or his real name as TC or loader or something. Thoughts?
Since this will encompass more than just Iraq, we need to broaden Jurgen's suggestion for a campaign name. "Operation Abrams ID"?
We need a medal to award as well. I will look into the parameters that must follow.
Rob
How's this for rule number 5: The model must have another members name, who is in the campaign, on it somewhere. It can be real name, screen name, nickname whatever. Cannot be your own name. This would encompass putting the screen name as the tanks barrel name, or his real name as TC or loader or something. Thoughts?
Since this will encompass more than just Iraq, we need to broaden Jurgen's suggestion for a campaign name. "Operation Abrams ID"?
We need a medal to award as well. I will look into the parameters that must follow.
Rob

teternal

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Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 06:34 PM UTC
Count me in as well. Ive had M1 kit for a while lookin to do a modern.

Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 07:53 PM UTC
Brother Abrams:
Count me in as well. I have my eyes on a Trumpeter kit. So I will be building that particular Model.
Count me in as well. I have my eyes on a Trumpeter kit. So I will be building that particular Model.

GIBeregovoy

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Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 08:08 PM UTC
ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! 
Perhaps I might be able to resurrect my Trumpeter M1A1HA USMC for this group build? It's actually more-or-less ok, with hull halves mated, turret glued together, but it's left to dust recently....
... but then again, maybe not because it's more-or-less done having inspected it recently.
Nonetheless, me tentative joining on an Abrams group build. Funding will be the prime criterion, with Time being a close second.

Perhaps I might be able to resurrect my Trumpeter M1A1HA USMC for this group build? It's actually more-or-less ok, with hull halves mated, turret glued together, but it's left to dust recently....
... but then again, maybe not because it's more-or-less done having inspected it recently.

Nonetheless, me tentative joining on an Abrams group build. Funding will be the prime criterion, with Time being a close second.

coltm4

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Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 08:53 PM UTC
yeah i could get into a Op Iraq Freedom build, something about those used inoperable cheiftan tanks that changed hands so many times just appeal to me (check out Military In Scale October 2003). Okay, the Abrams is significant, but lets not devote a whol build to it, there's not much room for creativity is there??
"I love the smell of Napalm in the morning" - Killgore #:-)
"I love the smell of Napalm in the morning" - Killgore #:-)

Jurgen

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Posted: Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 09:01 PM UTC
So far it looks like were having a little campaign going on here.... :-)
Sorry Bro, I overlooked the part saying it wasn't going to be OIF.
GIBeregovoy's got a point there maybe, let's put in a small rule about the costs, could be saying it's not allowed to spent over a milion $ for the project or something. (making it easier for the less rich guys to join in and have there models also look good)
Or maybe not... ehehehe
Still the question; dio or the pure thing?
I really like how this is going, let's get this show on the road and start MODELING...
Sorry Bro, I overlooked the part saying it wasn't going to be OIF.
GIBeregovoy's got a point there maybe, let's put in a small rule about the costs, could be saying it's not allowed to spent over a milion $ for the project or something. (making it easier for the less rich guys to join in and have there models also look good)
Or maybe not... ehehehe
Still the question; dio or the pure thing?
I really like how this is going, let's get this show on the road and start MODELING...


BroAbrams

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Posted: Monday, December 01, 2003 - 02:56 AM UTC
My concern with doing an OIF campaign is that I think it is too broad for what I willing to host. I think if it becomes too burdened with "Can I do a T-55?" and "I want to do a Challenger!" that it will loose focus and momentum. I think in the future an OIF will most certainly be done, but for now, I would like to stick to the Abrams. I apologize Colt.
Jurgen, as long as it includes an Abrams I am happy. Feel free to dio to your hearts content. I will probably do more of a vignette. As for costs, I probably have about $50 to $60 invested in the models individually already, so I cannot go below that. Lets keep it in that range but I will not make it a rule. There really isn't that much on the market for it anyway, so that should be more than enough for PE and a resin kit. I might suggest the Legends Accesory set and the full Eduard PE. The Verlinden sets, the superdetail kit and the OIF accesory set aren't all that great, but the do have some interesting stuff like water coolers. I am not worried about someone doing more on one than someone else, I want it to be open to all. Jurgen, I know you are pretty new to the hobby, but I am just as interested in seeing yours as I am in seeing Gunnie's.
Rob
I am going to include some words from Jim here on the campaigns:
Jurgen, as long as it includes an Abrams I am happy. Feel free to dio to your hearts content. I will probably do more of a vignette. As for costs, I probably have about $50 to $60 invested in the models individually already, so I cannot go below that. Lets keep it in that range but I will not make it a rule. There really isn't that much on the market for it anyway, so that should be more than enough for PE and a resin kit. I might suggest the Legends Accesory set and the full Eduard PE. The Verlinden sets, the superdetail kit and the OIF accesory set aren't all that great, but the do have some interesting stuff like water coolers. I am not worried about someone doing more on one than someone else, I want it to be open to all. Jurgen, I know you are pretty new to the hobby, but I am just as interested in seeing yours as I am in seeing Gunnie's.
Rob
I am going to include some words from Jim here on the campaigns:
Quoted Text
Remember the overriding rule governing campaigns is to have fun! Don't conceive them so twisting and tedious that even you get dizzy reading the parameters.

BroAbrams

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Posted: Monday, December 01, 2003 - 03:24 AM UTC
Okay, here are the final rules as submitted for the campaign:
1. The model will show an M1 series General Abrams MBT of any era, any theatre, any scale.
2. The model must be a true representation of an Abrams, no fictional nationalities or future variations. The Australian variant is permissable, as are Egyptian and Kuwaiti variants.
3. Start date is 14 February, 2004 (The hosts b-day)
4. End date is 14 May, 2004
5. The model itself must include the name, in full or in part, of at least one other participant in the "OAID" campaign. This can include full name, screen name, or nickname.
If you can concieve a project within these parameters, then it is acceptable. I won't question much. Colt, if you want to do that Chieftan with an Abrams and you can come up with a plausible explanation, go for it.
The following participants have agreed to sign on:
Jurgen
SgtReefe
WeWillHold
Grasshopp12
GunTruck
Holdfast
White4doc
Turrettoad13
teternal
Bravo-Comm2
GlBeregovoy
ColtM4 is tentative, so I haven't submitted your name yet.
Rob
1. The model will show an M1 series General Abrams MBT of any era, any theatre, any scale.
2. The model must be a true representation of an Abrams, no fictional nationalities or future variations. The Australian variant is permissable, as are Egyptian and Kuwaiti variants.
3. Start date is 14 February, 2004 (The hosts b-day)
4. End date is 14 May, 2004
5. The model itself must include the name, in full or in part, of at least one other participant in the "OAID" campaign. This can include full name, screen name, or nickname.
If you can concieve a project within these parameters, then it is acceptable. I won't question much. Colt, if you want to do that Chieftan with an Abrams and you can come up with a plausible explanation, go for it.
The following participants have agreed to sign on:
Jurgen
SgtReefe
WeWillHold
Grasshopp12
GunTruck
Holdfast
White4doc
Turrettoad13
teternal
Bravo-Comm2
GlBeregovoy
ColtM4 is tentative, so I haven't submitted your name yet.
Rob
Tankrider

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Posted: Monday, December 01, 2003 - 04:38 AM UTC
Sign me up too... I guess that I can clean my table of the Scanadinavian armor between now & then...
What is the details of "Rule 5. The model itself must include the name, in full or in part, of at least one other participant in the "OAID" campaign. This can include full name, screen name, or nickname." Apparently I am too dense to figure it out...
Now the question is whether to to do a 3ID OIF tank (DML) or a M1A2SEP (Trumpeter). Hmmmm...
What is the details of "Rule 5. The model itself must include the name, in full or in part, of at least one other participant in the "OAID" campaign. This can include full name, screen name, or nickname." Apparently I am too dense to figure it out...
Now the question is whether to to do a 3ID OIF tank (DML) or a M1A2SEP (Trumpeter). Hmmmm...

werwulf

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Posted: Monday, December 01, 2003 - 05:25 AM UTC
Hello All,
BroAbrams,is it to late to get in on this project? I'm new to this kind of thing and would like to know more than what is posted. Thanks for you help guys.
BroAbrams,is it to late to get in on this project? I'm new to this kind of thing and would like to know more than what is posted. Thanks for you help guys.

BroAbrams

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Posted: Monday, December 01, 2003 - 06:59 AM UTC
WooHoo!!! John Charvat, one of my favorite tankers. Welcome aboard. What I meant by rule five was that you have to put another modellers name on it somewhere. It can be using WeWillHold's screen name as the barrel art or having Gunnie's name down for the TC (GSgt Lewis would look good on a Marine Abrams). I added this because there needs to be one oddball rule for a group build or campaign and I thought this would help everyone get to know each other. Do a SEP, John, I haven't seen a really good one of those yet. Not that I have seen a bad one either.
Werwulf, welcome aboard, eh. My Canadian is a little rusty, eh, so be patient with me , eh. :-) Basically in a campaign or group build, we would all build a model of the same subject, in this case an abrams. The goal is to have fun and learn about a subject, then see other peoples interpretation on the theme. The most important step is to have fun, this is why I don't make a lot of rules. There is usually one oddball rule mixed in that is meant to test a modellers skill and knowledge of the subject. This is not a contest, everyone who finishes an abrams in the alotted time gets a ribbbon that is displayed on their profile page. I hope you enjoy yourself, and that goes for everybody. There is no deadline to enter, as long as you have entered in time to complete the Abrams by May 14th. BTW this was just an arbitrary day that amounted to two months. The opening day is my birthday, which is one of the perks of being the host of this build. :-) That way you can all get me a present. hehe
Rob
Werwulf, welcome aboard, eh. My Canadian is a little rusty, eh, so be patient with me , eh. :-) Basically in a campaign or group build, we would all build a model of the same subject, in this case an abrams. The goal is to have fun and learn about a subject, then see other peoples interpretation on the theme. The most important step is to have fun, this is why I don't make a lot of rules. There is usually one oddball rule mixed in that is meant to test a modellers skill and knowledge of the subject. This is not a contest, everyone who finishes an abrams in the alotted time gets a ribbbon that is displayed on their profile page. I hope you enjoy yourself, and that goes for everybody. There is no deadline to enter, as long as you have entered in time to complete the Abrams by May 14th. BTW this was just an arbitrary day that amounted to two months. The opening day is my birthday, which is one of the perks of being the host of this build. :-) That way you can all get me a present. hehe
Rob

TreadHead

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Posted: Monday, December 01, 2003 - 07:36 AM UTC
Howdy Bro,
(boy, when I said that in my head, it sounded much younger than I have the right to sound).
Question: Would my Dragon M1A1HA that I'm building in OIF USMC Task Force Tarawa clothes be eligible? I'm building it in a vignette, complete with fully opening track skirts, deep wading root still attached, and a thrown track.
Didn't know if vignette's were allowed.
Tread.
BTW, I like your 'oddball' rule. :-)
My first thought is to include my good friend Gunnie's name on the kit, but Rob's (Sabot) moniker is very tempting!
Geeeeeeeez, now that I start thinking about it, there's quite a few 'goodin's '
(boy, when I said that in my head, it sounded much younger than I have the right to sound).

Question: Would my Dragon M1A1HA that I'm building in OIF USMC Task Force Tarawa clothes be eligible? I'm building it in a vignette, complete with fully opening track skirts, deep wading root still attached, and a thrown track.
Didn't know if vignette's were allowed.
Tread.
BTW, I like your 'oddball' rule. :-)
My first thought is to include my good friend Gunnie's name on the kit, but Rob's (Sabot) moniker is very tempting!
Geeeeeeeez, now that I start thinking about it, there's quite a few 'goodin's '

airwarrior

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Posted: Monday, December 01, 2003 - 07:41 AM UTC
I'm in!

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