This is the green I'm looking for.
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Correct green for early Bundeswehr AFV's?
DerGeist
Joined: January 21, 2008
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - 07:50 AM UTC
Hey all. Working on a Bundeswehr M41 right now and probably a Leopard 1A2 a little later on. I was wondering, what's the correct green for early Bundeswehr vehicles? I've eyeballed it in the past on my Marder 1, Leo 1A4, and KaJaPz but I've got a PSM Leo 1A2 turret and PE on the way and I want to get the color right for this project. I primarily use Tamiya colors and I'm fine with mixing if I have to. Thanks!
This is the green I'm looking for.
This is the green I'm looking for.
ComaBlack
Joined: September 19, 2010
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - 08:02 AM UTC
I used Humbrol matt 30 enamel for my Marder I. This was after trawling various message boards, sorry I can't find the exact post. It looked pretty close to me.
Frenchy
Joined: December 02, 2002
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - 08:03 AM UTC
Accoring to this website :
http://www.panzerbaer.de/colours/a_relaunch/bw_tarn-a.htm
the color is RAL 6014 Gelboliv (NATO Oliv)
I've read that LifeColor UA-119 (34064) or Humbrol 75 (or 155), are useable....
Federal Standard closest match should be FS 34087 (to broaden your search
).
HTH
H.P.
http://www.panzerbaer.de/colours/a_relaunch/bw_tarn-a.htm
the color is RAL 6014 Gelboliv (NATO Oliv)
I've read that LifeColor UA-119 (34064) or Humbrol 75 (or 155), are useable....
Federal Standard closest match should be FS 34087 (to broaden your search
). HTH
H.P.
rhwinter
Joined: March 07, 2010
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - 08:18 AM UTC
Hi Erik,
when I was a boy, I used to visit a Bundeswehr-barracks in the near quite regularly. They had Kanonen- and Raketenjagdpanzer as well as M 113 and Bergepanzer 1, later the M 48-upgrade instead of the Jagdpanzers.
First of all, the NATO-green was never-ever matt, but always had a slight glossy appearance! Nothing like the actual Bundeswehr camouflage-colours!
The paint that matched this early Bundeswehr-colour best was the (old) Revell 46 Nato-olive - with a drop of clear gloss. I don't know, whether Revell's M46 colour still is the way it was, but then it was absolutely right.
That's all.
Richard
when I was a boy, I used to visit a Bundeswehr-barracks in the near quite regularly. They had Kanonen- and Raketenjagdpanzer as well as M 113 and Bergepanzer 1, later the M 48-upgrade instead of the Jagdpanzers.
First of all, the NATO-green was never-ever matt, but always had a slight glossy appearance! Nothing like the actual Bundeswehr camouflage-colours!
The paint that matched this early Bundeswehr-colour best was the (old) Revell 46 Nato-olive - with a drop of clear gloss. I don't know, whether Revell's M46 colour still is the way it was, but then it was absolutely right.
That's all.
Richard
BootsDMS
Joined: February 08, 2012
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - 09:31 AM UTC
Chaps,
Bundeswehr vehicles in the early days never sported anything remotely "green" in colour; the shade was that of Revell 46 ie "Gelboliv" which translates as "Yellow Olive". This is very much a brownish shade (I personally refer to it as "Bundeswehr Brown"). The Revell colour is spot on; as to any "gloss" effect I leave that to modellers' individual tastes. Certainly the vehicles I espied during my service were very,very matt in appearance. Of course, atmospheric conditions, early morning dew etc would all make the vehicle look different, but to my mind the Revell colour is the most accurate. I have no idea as to acrylic possibilities but please, this shade is brown, not green!
Enjoy! Early Bundeswehr models have a charm all of their own and just need the right colour; generally, ignore the (for example) Tamiya colour instructions.
Sorry if this is a polemic, but I've seen far too many models in "green".
Brian
PS Just to muddy the waters I recall seeing an ancient Airfix magazine cover shot showing a Leo in what was clearly Panzer Grey, and during my language course (c. 1990)came across an old military (German) magazine showing an M47 also in Grey. I know this doesn't really help but .....!
Bundeswehr vehicles in the early days never sported anything remotely "green" in colour; the shade was that of Revell 46 ie "Gelboliv" which translates as "Yellow Olive". This is very much a brownish shade (I personally refer to it as "Bundeswehr Brown"). The Revell colour is spot on; as to any "gloss" effect I leave that to modellers' individual tastes. Certainly the vehicles I espied during my service were very,very matt in appearance. Of course, atmospheric conditions, early morning dew etc would all make the vehicle look different, but to my mind the Revell colour is the most accurate. I have no idea as to acrylic possibilities but please, this shade is brown, not green!
Enjoy! Early Bundeswehr models have a charm all of their own and just need the right colour; generally, ignore the (for example) Tamiya colour instructions.
Sorry if this is a polemic, but I've seen far too many models in "green".
Brian
PS Just to muddy the waters I recall seeing an ancient Airfix magazine cover shot showing a Leo in what was clearly Panzer Grey, and during my language course (c. 1990)came across an old military (German) magazine showing an M47 also in Grey. I know this doesn't really help but .....!
DerGeist
Joined: January 21, 2008
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - 09:53 AM UTC
Unfortunately Revell colors aren't the easiest to come in the States. I'd prefer to be able to mix some Tamiya colors or even Model Master as much as I hate to spray that stuff. Thanks for the help so far everyone!
Edit: what do you guys think of Tamiya Khaki Drab xf-51? It looks pretty close to me.
Erik
Edit: what do you guys think of Tamiya Khaki Drab xf-51? It looks pretty close to me.
Erik
mmeier
Joined: October 22, 2008
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - 11:09 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Chaps,
Bundeswehr vehicles in the early days never sported anything remotely "green" in colour; the shade was that of Revell 46 ie "Gelboliv" which translates as "Yellow Olive". This is very much a brownish shade (I personally refer to it as "Bundeswehr Brown"). The Revell colour is spot on; as to any "gloss" effect I leave that to modellers' individual tastes. Certainly the vehicles I espied during my service were very,very matt in appearance. Of course, atmospheric conditions, early morning dew etc would all make the vehicle look different, but to my mind the Revell colour is the most accurate. I have no idea as to acrylic possibilities but please, this shade is brown, not green!
Enjoy! Early Bundeswehr models have a charm all of their own and just need the right colour; generally, ignore the (for example) Tamiya colour instructions.
Sorry if this is a polemic, but I've seen far too many models in "green".
Brian
PS Just to muddy the waters I recall seeing an ancient Airfix magazine cover shot showing a Leo in what was clearly Panzer Grey, and during my language course (c. 1990)came across an old military (German) magazine showing an M47 also in Grey. I know this doesn't really help but .....!
As for acrylics the Revell Aqua line has a "Gelboliv"(46) and a second (42) color that is a tad less "greenish" Depending on when the color was used it had a tendency to bleach out (similar to the BW uniforms before the current "Flecktarn") and get lighter/greyer.
greyish
Both "gelboliv"
Otherwise Tamiya XF51 Khaki drab as a base gets recommended more often than not.
DerGeist
Joined: January 21, 2008
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Posted: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 - 11:58 AM UTC
I've gone with Tmaiya Khaki Drab. I may modify the shade depending on how I feel when I get to painting my stuff. Thanks for the help all!
Erik
Erik
pigsty
Joined: January 16, 2007
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Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 06:54 AM UTC
Might be too late, but I poked through the options a while back and found Xtracolor Gelboliv (X251) the match I most liked.
panorama
Joined: January 18, 2013
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Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 07:58 AM UTC
At one modellers exhibition I bought a Modelers Manual with cross reference charts for various brands of colors compiled by Pawel Grochowski ([email protected] - so obviously a polish author) whitch I found very reliable on various occasions. It encompasses the brands and colour lines: Agama, Gunze Hobby Color, Gunze Mr. Color, Humbrol, Life Color, Model Master Enamel, Model Master Acrylic, Pactra, Polly S, Revell, Tamiya X and XF, Tamiya AS and TS, Vallejo Model Color and Model Air as well es Xtra Color.
According to this Chart Revell 46 (Nato Olive) matches only with Humbrol 170.
Happy Modelling
Michael
According to this Chart Revell 46 (Nato Olive) matches only with Humbrol 170.
Happy Modelling
Michael
ericadeane
Joined: October 28, 2002
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Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 09:22 AM UTC
I'm toying with the idea of converting a M7 105MM HMC "Priest" into the M7B2 -- with the elevated howitzer. It was found often in the early German army. Would this have been repainted from the factory applied olive drab?
Given the M7B2s' long service in the Bundeswehr, if it were repainted, what options would I look to?
Given the M7B2s' long service in the Bundeswehr, if it were repainted, what options would I look to?
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