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Tamiya JGSDF Type 90 + Eduard photoetched
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Posted: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 - 11:29 AM UTC
Looking pretty nice !

I agree with you on the voyager set; the fenders looks ok. Even if they are a bit thick I think it's too much of a hassle to replace them with p.e. However I'm surprised that they didn't included a metal barrel in their kit. Maybe it's going to be sold separately ? They included one with the type 10 kit... I have a type 90 waiting in the stash too, so this is good news

Eduard did a nice set and you certainly do justice to it !
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Posted: Thursday, September 26, 2013 - 06:15 PM UTC
Thanks for your comment Tom,

Today I will post pictures of the smallest photo etched parts in this set.

These little handles are very small, however Eduard took into consideration and added extra parts in their photo etched fret.

I am not sure if these little handles will be placed anywhere else, but as far as I remember they added a margin of about 18 handles plus 4 that I lost...

Another aspect that surprised me, is that when turret turns, it passes very precisely over the main body structure and its photo etched handles, I think Eduard did very good on this, and still don't know why they discontinued this set.














Cheers


Guillem
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Posted: Thursday, September 26, 2013 - 11:16 PM UTC
Nice work on the details, Guillem.
I´m pretty sure good tweezers helps a lot ;-)

cheers
Walter
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Posted: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 - 06:28 PM UTC

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Nice work on the details, Guillem.
I´m pretty sure good tweezers helps a lot ;-)

cheers
Walter



Thanks Walter, yes indeed, good tweezers are a must, otherwise is impossible to catch these little parts.

Some more photos today, mainly of the detail on the turret:











































Cheers,
Guillem
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Posted: Tuesday, October 01, 2013 - 07:39 PM UTC
wow man!great job!I like it very much!!can't wait to see it painted!
Regards

Ciro
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Posted: Friday, October 04, 2013 - 05:59 PM UTC

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wow man!great job!I like it very much!!can't wait to see it painted!
Regards

Ciro



Thanks for your comment Ciro

The tank is practically finished assembling. Yesterday I mounted the rear basked with the photo etched mesh and I will start today (and hopefully finish) the machine gun.

I hope to post final pictures of the assembled tank prior painting.
I have found good images on Google so I hope that I will not have problems with the paint, I am already thinking about the base diorama with the mud.

Cheers

Guillem
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Posted: Friday, October 04, 2013 - 11:18 PM UTC
After some hours from my last post, I post pictures of the machine gun completed.

I added a small plastic rod inside the perforated mesh (don't know its technical name). Eduard explained to glue the photo etched part over the gun but I decided to remove that plastic part.

I also drilled a hole in the extreme of the barrel.
























Next photos will be of the tank assembled but without primmer, in order to take a look at the photo etched parts and differentiate them from the plastic ones. Later, the painting process will begin

Hope you guys like it.

Cheers,
Guillem
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Posted: Saturday, October 05, 2013 - 02:09 AM UTC
So far so good. Watching closely.

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Posted: Saturday, October 05, 2013 - 02:24 AM UTC
Lovely work on the cal.50 mg .. looks much better now!

cheers
Walter
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Posted: Saturday, October 05, 2013 - 04:19 AM UTC
Excellent job Guillem. I like it and I specially like the details added to the cal 50.
Looking forward to the paintIng process..
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Posted: Saturday, October 05, 2013 - 08:39 PM UTC

Thanks for your words guys.

I am about to start the painting process, so yesterday I took some photos that will be the last ones prior being primed.

Sorry guys, photos are much of the same... but I liked to have a memory of all hours with the PE

Not sure if the forum will show the full size of the picture, so make sure to check the image link.



























Next photos, the tank completely white I will use Vallejo primer with airbrush, hopefully all will go smooth, as for the green I think that according with the pictures I saw, I will go with Tamiya's XF-65 Field Grey

Cheers and have a nice weekend

Guillem
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Posted: Sunday, October 06, 2013 - 01:53 PM UTC

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Next photos, the tank completely white I will use Vallejo primer with airbrush, hopefully all will go smooth, as for the green I think that according with the pictures I saw, I will go with Tamiya's XF-65 Field Grey

Guillem



Guillem--Just a friendly recommendation as to the colors. XF-65 is somewhat close, but it's not correct. Tamiya makes both of the correct cammo colors for the kit, XF-73 JGSDF Green and XF-72 JGSDF Brown. I would go with those, as they appear to be spot-on.
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Posted: Sunday, October 06, 2013 - 07:07 PM UTC

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Guillem--Just a friendly recommendation as to the colors. XF-65 is somewhat close, but it's not correct. Tamiya makes both of the correct cammo colors for the kit, XF-73 JGSDF Green and XF-72 JGSDF Brown. I would go with those, as they appear to be spot-on.



Thanks very much for the info Lucas, I didn't take a look at the paint list in Tamiya's kit yet

I have been looking at some pictures of the actual bottle in Google images and I am not 100 % sure, maybe the color was the correct one when the tank was painted new.

I am confused because in some pictures, the colors of the tank look more vivid, but in other photos it looks more "faded" more desaturated, with less intensity. My guess is that this is an effect of the light, or probably the weather condition at that moment.

I have done a quick test with Photoshop, trying to auto adjust the color and levels of the images, those that were less intense gained more deep color, and those with vivid colors, their color changed.

I upload some pictures:









Note in this close up how the color seems not so much satured.




I think a good choice would be to use the pre-made XF-73 JGSDF Green and XF-72 JGSDF Brown and then just modify its tones, like making the paint less intense in some areas.

Notice in picture 6 (from above) that some areas of the tank were retouched with a brush and the color does not match much the original paint (probably due to the weathering).

Anyways, paint aside. Yesterday I gave the entire tank a coat of primer and I hope to take photos of its actual stage soon.

Prior painting I noticed something in the rear suspension, so I decided to modify it, I am not sure whether what I did was right or wrong, but I followed the sense of the original Tamiya part in which the damper was shorter but touching the suspension arm in the neutral position, so what I did was to make the damper longer.









Guys I need more ideas on the colors

Cheers,

Guillem
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Posted: Sunday, October 06, 2013 - 07:51 PM UTC
Sorry for the double post, just wanted to share more pictures to chose the colors.



Check these out:

http://blog-imgs-26.fc2.com/u/m/i/umisoranidakarete/369V2060_convert_20090921145523.jpg
http://blog-imgs-26.fc2.com/u/m/i/umisoranidakarete/369V1431_convert_20090921145613.jpg
http://blog-imgs-26.fc2.com/u/m/i/umisoranidakarete/369V1888_convert_20090921145844.jpg


Guillem

Edit*

Guys I wanted to share with you this amazing picture that I found:

Make sure to check its full size!

I am considering on making some water reflections... I have a bicomponent clear varnish (same as used to paint real cars) that I use to paint some other things with it... it is excellent varnish and I think it can add more realism to the scene.

By the way, if you want to see many photos of the Type 90, a good idea is to type its name in Japanese 90式戦車 you can obtain lots of results on Google images.
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2013 - 12:21 AM UTC
Guillem--check out this build for a good example of how the Tamiya colors look on a built model:

http://modelerssocialclub.proboards.com/thread/4792/tamiya-type-90-mbt-finished

I think this is the effect you may be going after.
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Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 07:00 PM UTC

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Guillem--check out this build for a good example of how the Tamiya colors look on a built model:

http://modelerssocialclub.proboards.com/thread/4792/tamiya-type-90-mbt-finished

I think this is the effect you may be going after.



Thanks for your help Lucas, I will use Vallejo colors... more info later, here some pics:

























Cheers

Guillem
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Posted: Friday, October 11, 2013 - 05:54 AM UTC
Hello guys, is anybody here?

I am just wondering if continuing posting here the painting process, I already started with the first base color. Not much to see so...

Anyway, I will post pictures once finished.

Thanks everybody for following the project.

Cheers,


Guillem
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Posted: Friday, October 11, 2013 - 06:00 AM UTC
Very cool build, I'm liking this one
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Posted: Friday, October 11, 2013 - 06:30 AM UTC

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I didn't know Voyager Model also made a photo etched set for the Type 90.



Technically, they don't - yet. They announced the set at the same time as their Type 10 set, but the Type 90 set remains in the "Coming Soon" state (which will hopefully mean it will be out later in October). I've got three Type 90s with the Eduard PE sitting in the stash, but I'm not sure that all have the additional Mesh set, so I'll be buying at least one Voyager set for comparison. As you say, there is a lot of overlap with the Eduard set, but it does appear to include one or two areas not covered by the Eduard set (more detail for the M2, for example, and the mesh on the turret basket is part of the base set) just as the Eduard set includes some areas not covered by the Voyager one, so I think they will be complementary. I also plan to pick up Orange Hobby JGSDF antenna as a finishing touch.

Have to say that your build does have me contemplating being a little more adventurous re the suspension - I hadn't realized that the Type 90 could do the same sort of contortions as the Type 74.

Regards,

Alan
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Posted: Friday, October 11, 2013 - 06:39 PM UTC

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Very cool build, I'm liking this one



Thanks for commenting, James


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I didn't know Voyager Model also made a photo etched set for the Type 90.



Technically, they don't - yet. They announced the set at the same time as their Type 10 set, but the Type 90 set remains in the "Coming Soon" state (which will hopefully mean it will be out later in October). I've got three Type 90s with the Eduard PE sitting in the stash, but I'm not sure that all have the additional Mesh set, so I'll be buying at least one Voyager set for comparison. As you say, there is a lot of overlap with the Eduard set, but it does appear to include one or two areas not covered by the Eduard set (more detail for the M2, for example, and the mesh on the turret basket is part of the base set) just as the Eduard set includes some areas not covered by the Voyager one, so I think they will be complementary. I also plan to pick up Orange Hobby JGSDF antenna as a finishing touch.

Have to say that your build does have me contemplating being a little more adventurous re the suspension - I hadn't realized that the Type 90 could do the same sort of contortions as the Type 74.

Regards,

Alan



Thank you Alan,

Yes, looks like the Voyager Models detail set for the Type 10 will be released this month (have seen it in HLJ).
I agree with you about complementing PE parts, they both have their positive aspects, something similar happens to me now that I am building the IJN Yamato, I am using Eduard PE and will also use Flyhawk PE.
Nice detail the addition of the Orange Hobby JGSDF antenna, I just checked it. I will do mines with the heating plastic technique, lets see how it turns out.

The Type 90 is a tank I am liking very much, hence the lots of photos of the model still without paint... I have seen images on Internet with this tank in different camouflages and certainly I am thinking to do this model again...

Today I will continue painting

Cheers,
Guillem
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Posted: Friday, October 11, 2013 - 08:33 PM UTC
Can't wait to see the painting stage!You've done a great job!!I like it so much!Keep it up!

Ciro
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Posted: Friday, October 11, 2013 - 11:54 PM UTC
It's looking great, Guillem. I look forward to seeing it painted!
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Posted: Sunday, October 20, 2013 - 04:48 AM UTC
Hello friends from armorama,

It’s been quite some time after my last upload; here I present some pictures of the last things done in this model.


Finally I decided to use a mixture of my own with Vallejo color, I thought that with the compilation of pictures I have, and the idea of the actual representation of the tank in a humid ambient, the color should be adjusted. I used to paint with Tamiya paints, but I prefer Vallejo in this case.

So then, the colors in the pictures may be slightly different from the model seen in person, since the photo was taken indoors with not great lighting conditions, but it is a reference, and I tried to adjust to what I see. Better pictures will be uploaded once the tank is finished.

The color is a mixture of Vallejo paints:
For the JGSDF brown: Vallejo burnt umber 70941 66,6%, Vallejo white 26,6% Vallejo black 6,6%.
The JGSDF green: Vallejo US dark green 70893 64,93%, Vallejo black 25,97%, Vallejo white 9%.

To paint the correct scheme corresponding to the tank of the first picture (idea) number 95-2907, I had to search for its pictures since every tank has a slight different scheme.

Unfortunately I was not able to find a scheme for the right side, so I used a tank of the same company with very similar scheme to the left side. That was checked because I was able to find a rear view picture of the 95-2907 with the tank turret rotated 90 degrees which helped me paint the right scheme on the turret.

After painting the scheme, I decided to do a complete wash on the model, I am not very experienced with this and this was the first time I done it, I mixed some Vallejo light-orange colors, diluted in distilled water, so then as if it was rain, I applied it with the airbrush, very very gentle and distant. I liked the effect, it made the tank colors to blend together, and it seemed the tank passed from being new to have been slightly affected by the dust.

Afterwards I applied a clear varnish coat, I committed the mistake of using a clear varnish spray that I usually use when making my own decals, I had some problems using this varnish with the airbrush too (similar “frozen” effect also appeared with Tamiya’s clear) so next time I will use Vallejo varnishes.

The clear coat was applied so I could prepare the base for the next weathering and decals.

It was the first time I used oil paints to create the fading effect, I liked it very much, it allows lot of freedom while applying it, and I still have to retouch a little, the weathering is not finished yet, I have to apply some sand dust and other effects. No weathering over the decals yet.






For the lower part of the tank, I applied mud, which was done by refining sand and mixing it with white glue and water.




For the mud on the wheels, I mixed the refined sand with Vallejo mat varnish and still have to apply more clear varnish on the wheel edges to represent mud a little bit fresh.











I also added a little bar in the air wind sensor support.




The tank still has so many things to be done; I still can’t paint the tracks since I will need at least one of them to create the track marks on the diorama.

I believe the tank will change slightly once I apply a little bit of sand dust.
My idea would be to represent something like this:


So I think the use of the different varnish tones will be the key.

I know it is a long post, however I also wanted to advise the modelers making this tank, that Tamiya apparently committed a mistake by placing the front cherry blossom emblem in the lower side of the hull, rather than above it (between the headlights), I noticed it by looking at the real pictures and the decal placement instructions.

Thanks for watching.
Until the next update!

Guillem
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Posted: Sunday, October 20, 2013 - 05:02 AM UTC
Great build so far. The paint job is good as well. Can't wait to see the next update
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Posted: Sunday, October 27, 2013 - 02:15 AM UTC

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Great build so far. The paint job is good as well. Can't wait to see the next update



Thank you for your comment, Olivier.

Cheers,
Guillem