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Tamiya's "new" M151 kits
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 07:00 AM UTC
Tamiya posted a couple pics of their new M151 kits on their Facebook page.

It looks as though the M151A2 is just a reissue of their older kit with some bags, a .50 cal gunmount, and a couple of new figures. The driver is from the original kit. The rest of the kit looks to be the same as their older issue.

M151A2 "Grenada 1983"
ARRGG!! Pics don't work.

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The M151A1 looks to be a major rework of the original M151A2 kit. It has the proper front fenders, small turn signals, split front window, angled rear wheel opening, and an early canvas top with dual rear windows (which I have never seen on any version). The driver figure is the same as their original release.

M151A1 "Vietnam War"
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It will be interesting to see how they compare to the original release and to Academy's versions.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 08:14 AM UTC
The two new "Grenada" figures are a welcome addition.

While Tamiya figures tend to be on the thin side, their details and sculpting (especially the newer ones) are crisp and proportional. Finally...would be nice to have a MUTT Jeep with a full crew complement. Spare 1/35 accessories would help the figures as I don't see much gear on them at all.

Alas, if some company could eventually make the Kirin "Fast Attack Vehicle" MUTT or the "Sgt. Ferry" MUTT, the last M151A2 FAV used in Kosovo (see my photo gallery), that would be neat!
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 08:20 AM UTC
Well, what the hell? Even if Tamiya are seen to be cashing in on their Gama Goat (ie a 60s/70s revival)then any interest - and of course this is always subjective - in this period is to be welcomed, even if they are only re-vamped kits.

Mind you, it would be nice if they followed up their Goat initiative with say, a Goer, or perish the thought, an M59 (albeit from an earlier period); perhaps with the 3rd Reich done to death we are due some surprises? I hope so!

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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 08:38 AM UTC




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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 10:11 AM UTC
As I'm now finishing my Academy 151A1 with the searchlight mount, I'm gonna have to grab one of these and then scratchbuild the TVS-3 searchlight to go along with it. Gino, the two-window canvas is correct. My 1965 151A1 has that setup.

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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 10:16 AM UTC

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Mind you, it would be nice if they followed up their Goat initiative with say, a Goer, or perish the thought, an M59 (albeit from an earlier period)

Brian



I asked if there was interest in an M59 about six weeks ago. Not much of response. Plastic kit makers are not going to take a chance on something that won't sell.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 10:28 AM UTC
It's nice that the Goat won't be lonely

A little bit off topic.. is that "Grenada" Mutt and its figures appropriate for the US forces in Lebanon in 1982?

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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 11:36 AM UTC
On the Grenada version...the guy riding shotgun looks like his head is much smaller than the driver.

Gino, or anyone else...would it be likely that one member of the crew be in an M1 style helmet and the others in a newer style?

Also, when did desert colored vehicles show up? Seems I recall the US forces went from 4 color MERDC to 3 color NATO before shifting to tan for Desert Shield/Storm.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 11:36 AM UTC
The figures should be usable for Lebanon '82, but the helmest on the two new figures look to be Kevlars, which were first used by th 82 ABN in Grenada in '83. They would need to be backdated to M1 steelpot helmets. Also, the .50 cal was not common on the M151. I would swap it out w/an M60 MG.

AJ, you are correct on the helmets. The 82nd ABN was the first unit to use the Kevlar and they were issued to all Soldiers in the unit. The driver should also be wearing a Kevlar.



As to the sand colored vehicle, I am not sure why it is sand, but the above pic shows what appears to be the exact vehicle Tamiya based it on (but it has a more appropriate M60 MG as opposed to the .50 cal) in Grenada and painted sand.

For camo schemes, the US military did go from MERDC to 3-color NATO camo, and later repainted vehicles to sand for ODS. Furthermore, 82 ABN went back to 3-color NATO after ODS and all vehicles were repainted when they returned from ODS in '91.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 01:15 PM UTC

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The figures should be usable for Lebanon '82, but the helmest on the two new figures look to be Kevlars, which were first used by th 82 ABN in Grenada in '83. They would need to be backdated to M1 steelpot helmets. Also, the .50 cal was not common on the M151. I would swap it out w/an M60 MG.

AJ, you are correct on the helmets. The 82nd ABN was the first unit to use the Kevlar and they were issued to all Soldiers in the unit. The driver should also be wearing a Kevlar.



As to the sand colored vehicle, I am not sure why it is sand, but the above pic shows what appears to be the exact vehicle Tamiya based it on (but it has a more appropriate M60 MG as opposed to the .50 cal) in Grenada and painted sand.

For camo schemes, the US military did go from MERDC to 3-color NATO camo, and later repainted vehicles to sand for ODS. Furthermore, 82 ABN went back to 3-color NATO after ODS and all vehicles were repainted when they returned from ODS in '91.


if you look closely they all are wearing kevlar
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 01:34 PM UTC

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if you look closely they all are wearing kevlar



In the pic of the actual vehicle, yes. In Tamiya's new M151A2 Grenada 1983 kit, the driver has on an M1 steelpot while the passenger and gunner both have on Kevlars.

M151A2 Grenada 1983


Of course the pics work now.

M151A1 Vietnam War:
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 03:36 PM UTC

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The figures should be usable for Lebanon '82, but the helmest on the two new figures look to be Kevlars, which were first used by th 82 ABN in Grenada in '83. They would need to be backdated to M1 steelpot helmets. Also, the .50 cal was not common on the M151. I would swap it out w/an M60 MG.

AJ, you are correct on the helmets. The 82nd ABN was the first unit to use the Kevlar and they were issued to all Soldiers in the unit. The driver should also be wearing a Kevlar.



As to the sand colored vehicle, I am not sure why it is sand, but the above pic shows what appears to be the exact vehicle Tamiya based it on (but it has a more appropriate M60 MG as opposed to the .50 cal) in Grenada and painted sand.

For camo schemes, the US military did go from MERDC to 3-color NATO camo, and later repainted vehicles to sand for ODS. Furthermore, 82 ABN went back to 3-color NATO after ODS and all vehicles were repainted when they returned from ODS in '91.



Gino,

IIRC elements of the 3rd Bde had just returned from Egypt as part of the MFO mission, and hadn't had their vehicles repainted yet.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 03:39 PM UTC
That sounds plausible. I had forgotten about the Multinational Force and Observer mission in Egypt.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 03:47 PM UTC
Nick,

The driver is wearing a steelie, while the other two are wearing K pots.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 03:53 PM UTC
They had a unit in Egypt in Apr 82, but not sure when they returned stateside.

Also being part of the RDF, with all the crap going on in the ME at the time the DRB may have had their equipment painted sand..... I'll check with some people I know to find out for sure
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 11:34 PM UTC
The rear wheel opening on the A1 have a strange bolted-on plate with a lifting eye attached. Don't remember ever seeing that on an A1 before..?

Another one of the sand people (from Corbis):


Cheers,
/E
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Posted: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 - 11:45 PM UTC

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Mind you, it would be nice if they followed up their Goat initiative with say, a Goer, or perish the thought, an M59 (albeit from an earlier period)

Brian



I asked if there was interest in an M59 about six weeks ago. Not much of response. Plastic kit makers are not going to take a chance on something that won't sell.



Robert,

Sorry - I missed that one. M59 always dear to my (modelling) heart as representative of the development of the APC - and of course, essential for that iconic Berlin scenario with M48s and M59s. Scratch builders will probably suggest that a decent modeller could build one on an M41 chassis but I do not have the skill set. Shame.

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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 - 01:24 AM UTC

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The rear wheel opening on the A1 have a strange bolted-on plate with a lifting eye attached. Don't remember ever seeing that on an A1 before..?



It's the case here :







Looks like it's a rather rare set-up though...

H.P.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 - 02:56 AM UTC

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if you look closely they all are wearing kevlar



In the pic of the actual vehicle, yes. In Tamiya's new M151A2 Grenada 1983 kit, the driver has on an M1 steelpot while the passenger and gunner both have on Kevlars.


The kit includes three PASGT and three M1 steel helmets, so both options are possible. Sprues were shown at the Tokyo Hobby Show.

By the way, the A1 kit includes correct rear suspension parts!
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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 - 03:30 AM UTC

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The kit includes three PASGT and three M1 steel helmets, so both options are possible. Sprues were shown at the Tokyo Hobby Show.

By the way, the A1 kit includes correct rear suspension parts!



Very cool, an actual M151A1, that is a first. Great news. Do you have any links to the pics?


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The rear wheel opening on the A1 have a strange bolted-on plate with a lifting eye attached.



That is the lifting eye bracket seen on USMC jeeps. They also have the correct extended front bumper with lifting eye on it. Hopefully this is separate part that can be left off. If not, sanding will be in order for a typical Army M151A1.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 - 04:21 AM UTC

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That is the lifting eye bracket seen on USMC jeeps. They also have the correct extended front bumper with lifting eye on it. Hopefully this is separate part that can be left off. If not, sanding will be in order for a typical Army M151A1.



Thanks for the info.

Parts for both is included.

Cheers,
/E
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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 - 11:49 AM UTC
Below is a video report from the Tokyo Hobby Show that sepnds the first 5 minutes on the Gamma Goat and M151s. They all look nice and it confirms the M151A1 suspension and that the USMC lifting ring bracket on the rear is a separate piece and both w/bracket for a USMC vehicle and w/out for a US Army vehicle.

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Posted: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 - 01:38 PM UTC
Is it just me or does the passenger look a little, well, asian? Not that there anythng wrong with that, ha ha. Maybe one of the Tamyia designers decided to be politically correct and include various ethnicities in their US crews. You can be sure they are not descrminating against the steel pot since they've mixed the steel pot with kevlar.. very diverse, and oh so PC. A model kit that tries hard not to offend anyone.

SInce it s revamped kit, I suppose it still has the modled in plastic headlights that you have to decide to replace with some gigantic MV lens, or "accidently" cover them up and hide them from view. I've built this kit so many times I don't need the instructions, but I have yet to be able to actually paint the headlights to resemble anything other than a round, grey/silver dome - even tried various splashes of colors like the sky reflecting in them, but still a no go.
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Posted: Thursday, September 19, 2013 - 02:36 AM UTC

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Below is a video report from the Tokyo Hobby Show that sepnds the first 5 minutes on the Gamma Goat and M151s. They all look nice and it confirms the M151A1 suspension and that the USMC lifting ring bracket on the rear is a separate piece and both w/bracket for a USMC vehicle and w/out for a US Army vehicle.

Link





This video shows that Tamiya is going to re-release the old M60A1 and A2! Of course I wish it were an all re-tooled kit, but beats the hell out of paying out the nose for an M60A2 off of e-bay!
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Posted: Friday, September 20, 2013 - 11:05 AM UTC
Some nicer pics that should be working now.

M151A2 "Grenada 1983"




New parts sprue



M151A1 "Vietnam War"




New/updated parts sprues (of note, correct A1 rear suspension - nice!)
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