guys, am considering adding the kit figure ( i know its not the best) from my Tamiya StuG IV - mostly cos I have a bit of time before the start of the 251 compaign but not enough to build another kit so thought I would have a go at figure painting)... what uniform would I be looking at? the kit suggests camo jacket but would that be the case?
i am painting it as a 1944 italy-based StuG (I am using the Dragon kit as a guide so it is apparently 34th Infantry Division, Italy 1944)....
any thoughts/guidance and (especially) pictures) greatly received
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StuG Uniform Italy 1944
robw_uk
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2014 - 01:09 AM UTC
robw_uk
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2014 - 03:03 AM UTC
found the below
"If he's wearing the double breasted panzer uniform, do not paint him field grey! The reed green denims had a large prominent pocket on the left breast, which will be noticeable. If the figure doesn't have this paint him in black, even at the end of the war, Heer panzer units were still using the black clothing. There doesn't seem to have been any widespread issue of camouflaged clothing to army crews except the winter clothing. Photos taken during the occupation of Budapest, involving panzer division "Ferrenhalle" (sp!) show the crews of King Tigers in black.
In the SS, the panzer clothing was issued in a herringbone twill cloth with the "pea" pattern printed on. It was not reversible."
on here (yes I do know how to search) so will use that as the guide - need to check the figure when I am home to see if he is black or green/grey
"If he's wearing the double breasted panzer uniform, do not paint him field grey! The reed green denims had a large prominent pocket on the left breast, which will be noticeable. If the figure doesn't have this paint him in black, even at the end of the war, Heer panzer units were still using the black clothing. There doesn't seem to have been any widespread issue of camouflaged clothing to army crews except the winter clothing. Photos taken during the occupation of Budapest, involving panzer division "Ferrenhalle" (sp!) show the crews of King Tigers in black.
In the SS, the panzer clothing was issued in a herringbone twill cloth with the "pea" pattern printed on. It was not reversible."
on here (yes I do know how to search) so will use that as the guide - need to check the figure when I am home to see if he is black or green/grey
Biggles2
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2014 - 03:33 AM UTC
StuG crews were issued the same style uniform as Panzer, but in field gray (Feldgrau). And the piping (if you're going to paint it!) around shoulder straps, etc. should be red for artillery. 
easyco69
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2014 - 04:17 AM UTC
Stug crews were part of the mobile artillery , grey uniforms. Commander never came out of his capula with both headphones on, one was always off of his ear.
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2014 - 04:25 AM UTC
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Stug crews were part of the mobile artillery , grey uniforms. Commander never came out of his capula with both headphones on, one was always off of his ear.
brilliant, thanks for that
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2014 - 06:53 AM UTC
As far as I remember, the figure included in the Tamiya Stug IV is wearing some form of unbelted standard infantry uniform, I think it is meant to represent an SS pattern herringbone twill or drill camo suit. Consequently, if you are doing a vehicle in Italy, he's not much help! He could be painted in standard field grey or even in tropical twills - I think you could get away with it.
robw_uk
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2014 - 07:35 AM UTC
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As far as I remember, the figure included in the Tamiya Stug IV is wearing some form of unbelted standard infantry uniform, I think it is meant to represent an SS pattern herringbone twill or drill camo suit. Consequently, if you are doing a vehicle in Italy, he's not much help! He could be painted in standard field grey or even in tropical twills - I think you could get away with it.
Seems to be 4 pocket long jacket. Will post a pic tomorrow and see... Seems to match more black panzer uniform but a pic will give you more info... I might have a short-shirt wearing guy from a figure set. Will post him too...
robw_uk
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Posted: Monday, January 13, 2014 - 09:12 PM UTC
this is the figure - know its not the best and i havent filled the arm joins yet...
so what am I looking at if i wanted this guy in Italy 1944 (and "ditch him" isnt an option... ;-))
so what am I looking at if i wanted this guy in Italy 1944 (and "ditch him" isnt an option... ;-))
Biggles2
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Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 03:25 AM UTC
Lack of pocket pleats and flap scallops indicate this is (or supposed to be) a mid to late war SS style infantry jacket, and not Heer. Theoretically, it should be painted 'pea pattern', as well as his cap. Post summer '43 saw some pz troops from 1st SS sporting items of clothing made from confiscated Italian camo material.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 03:49 AM UTC
Yea....I was going to suggest Italian camo myself.....tunic and cap since its a waffen SS. The cap may have or may not have had any insignia....if it was made from Italian camo. It will look good for sure.....
robw_uk
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Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 03:59 AM UTC
thanks guys - do you mean something similar in patter (I know this is the smock/cape) to
http://www.dererstezug.com/italiancamo.htm
or something else?
well i wanted a challenge to fill in a couple of months!!!!!
http://www.dererstezug.com/italiancamo.htm
or something else?
well i wanted a challenge to fill in a couple of months!!!!!
raccoonrough
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Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 04:17 AM UTC
Yep, thats what I am familiar with......
robw_uk
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Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 04:23 AM UTC
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Yep, thats what I am familiar with......
ok - well i am a glutton for punishment so will give it a go... this thread can be ignored and i will open a new thread when I come to paint him
Biggles2
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Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 04:44 AM UTC
The Italian stuff is easier to paint than a German 'pea-pattern'. 
easyco69
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Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 06:57 AM UTC
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this is the figure - know its not the best and i havent filled the arm joins yet...
so what am I looking at if i wanted this guy in Italy 1944 (and "ditch him" isnt an option... ;-))
I have about 6 of that same Tamiya guy lol.
ANT1969
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Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 07:10 AM UTC
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thanks guys - do you mean something similar in patter (I know this is the smock/cape) to
http://www.dererstezug.com/italiancamo.htm
or something else?
well i wanted a challenge to fill in a couple of months!!!!!
Hi!
Here is the italian camo uniform. Although it looks a bit different than your figure's clothes.
http://www.lssah.com/images/italcamo.jpg
http://www.lssah.com/images/Italiancamopants.jpg
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Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 08:17 AM UTC
As we're talking german armed forces of WWII, uniform hardly comes into it. No pleats and straight flaps on the pocket are a feature of the reed-green field service uniform from 1943
The pic is figure 16 in German Army Uniforms of World War II (Wade Krawczyk)
For a camo scheme, God, Honor, Fatherland has a feldwebel in a similar tunic cut from zeltbahn material
So the figure can easily be army rather than SS
The pic is figure 16 in German Army Uniforms of World War II (Wade Krawczyk)
For a camo scheme, God, Honor, Fatherland has a feldwebel in a similar tunic cut from zeltbahn material
So the figure can easily be army rather than SS
Biggles2
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Posted: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 03:57 AM UTC
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As we're talking german armed forces of WWII, uniform hardly comes into it. No pleats and straight flaps on the pocket are a feature of the reed-green field service uniform from 1943
The pic is figure 16 in German Army Uniforms of World War II (Wade Krawczyk)
For a camo scheme, God, Honor, Fatherland has a feldwebel in a similar tunic cut from zeltbahn material
So the figure can easily be army rather than SS
Thanks for that. I didn't realize the reed green uniform was so similar looking to the SS jacket. However, the Tamiya figure is incorrect in having the wrong number of buttons, or having them in the wrong place (I'm a 'Button-counter').
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Posted: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 04:23 AM UTC
Next, I am going to criticize the stitching style, or rather lack thereof, and claim it is a post-war fake! 
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Posted: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 10:45 PM UTC
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Next, I am going to criticize the stitching style, or rather lack thereof, and claim it is a post-war fake!
thats ok, once i paint my figure it wont look anywhere near as good as that fake ;-)...
a quick scout in the stash last night reminded me I have the Sturmartillerie crew from dragon
http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/dragon/dr6029.htm
would the forage cap/peak guys be suitable for a 1944 Italy-based Stug IV crew?
I knew we have said "they would;ve grabbed whatever including Italian" but just checking.....
thoughts
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Posted: Thursday, January 16, 2014 - 02:36 AM UTC
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Quoted TextNext, I am going to criticize the stitching style, or rather lack thereof, and claim it is a post-war fake!
thats ok, once i paint my figure it wont look anywhere near as good as that fake ;-)...
a quick scout in the stash last night reminded me I have the Sturmartillerie crew from dragon
http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/dragon/dr6029.htm
would the forage cap/peak guys be suitable for a 1944 Italy-based Stug IV crew?
I knew we have said "they would;ve grabbed whatever including Italian" but just checking.....
thoughts
Yes!! You could use one of those guys but... you would have to get rid of the tie. The fig set represents the early war and by 1944 in Italy the adherence to correct uniforms had fallen by the wayside a lot.
Any style hat would work as the older hands tended to keep their gear as a badge of seniority(except the beret,that got dumped quickly) and also bear in mind Italy also gets chilly in winter so your guy is also reflected in that.
Also,as the Stug was designed as an Infantry support vehicle it was very common for the guys with their heads out of the hatch to wear helmets when in action. HTH
J
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Posted: Thursday, January 16, 2014 - 04:36 AM UTC
Here is a photo that mite help show the variation of uniform colors and types in Italy 44.
Mark
Mark
robw_uk
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Posted: Thursday, January 16, 2014 - 04:44 AM UTC
thats perfect MArk - may use the Dragon figure standing with the Tamiya one to give different uniform styles.... will have a look
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