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Anyone know what AA gun Hanoi Jane opperated?
DUKWsinarow
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Posted: Sunday, February 09, 2014 - 01:41 AM UTC
I was wondering if any of you knew the specific model of NVA AA gun Jane Fonda used to (I can only hope ineffectively) shoot at US Aircraft?

I'm about to start work on a Italeri 1:72 F-4G and wanted to provide it with a nice juicy target...
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Posted: Sunday, February 09, 2014 - 02:04 AM UTC

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I was wondering if any of you knew the specific model of NVA AA gun Jane Fonda used to (I can only hope ineffectively) shoot at US Aircraft?

I'm about to start work on a Italeri 1:72 F-4G and wanted to provide it with a nice juicy target...


I believe it's the Soviet made 57 mm AZP S-60.
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Posted: Sunday, February 09, 2014 - 03:14 AM UTC
Yeech. That image is certainly one of the most polarizing scenes of that entire decade, certainly shameful for her -- but in case you were unclear about the actual facts, Jane Fonda only tooled around on the AAA gun for film and photographers and didn't actually shoot it at US targets.
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Posted: Sunday, February 09, 2014 - 03:54 AM UTC
Has anyone produced a 1:35 S60? I have an Iraqi-used, Hungarian-built SZ-60 in the collection and could certainly use a model of one!
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Posted: Sunday, February 09, 2014 - 07:37 AM UTC

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Yeech. -- but in case you were unclear about the actual facts, Jane Fonda only tooled around on the AAA gun for film and photographers and didn't actually shoot it at US targets.


She was firing on American Airmen in what she called a "a two-minute lapse of sanity", which sounds more like a fake plea of insanity to avoid the consequences of her actions.

In my planned diorama, the two minutes she spent firing at an American F-105 attracts the attention of an F-4G which has homed in on the S-60's Grom-2 radar and fired an AGM-45 onto her position...
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Posted: Sunday, February 09, 2014 - 07:49 AM UTC
It's your diorama. All I'm saying is the footage of her on that AAA gun is not difficult to find. You'll clearly see all sorts of folks yukking it up for the cameras. There are no planes attacking. She never fires.

Here "two minutes of lapsed sanity" are of her idiotically playing on that AAA gun as if it were a playground toy instead of a weapon used to shoot down US aircraft -- not realizing that that image will forever be associated with her.

But I'll let you be. I think this will quickly de-volve into something else. Like I said, it's your diorama to do with what you see fit.
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Posted: Sunday, February 09, 2014 - 02:37 PM UTC

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It's your diorama. All I'm saying is the footage of her on that AAA gun is not difficult to find. You'll clearly see all sorts of folks yukking it up for the cameras. There are no planes attacking. She never fires.

Here "two minutes of lapsed sanity" are of her idiotically playing on that AAA gun as if it were a playground toy instead of a weapon used to shoot down US aircraft -- not realizing that that image will forever be associated with her.

But I'll let you be. I think this will quickly de-volve into something else. Like I said, it's your diorama to do with what you see fit.


I maybe wrong (getting a little old now), but I think I've seen photos of here sitting on a 37mm and a 57mm AA gun. Plus there is another of her setting on a radar guided 57mm AA gun. That one was new to me till somebody showed it at a VFW get together a few years back. There was also a comment made by Robin Olds concerning this, and he said something like "I wish they'd turned that radar on while I was there".

I have zero issues with the way Ms.Fonda felt about that war, but I do have a problem with the way she and the other two went about it. I don't hate her as some folks close to me do. I'm long past that period in my life. I simply look at her as a well used pawn by folks like Ramsey Clark and Tom Hayden.
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Posted: Sunday, February 09, 2014 - 02:52 PM UTC

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Yeech. -- but in case you were unclear about the actual facts, Jane Fonda only tooled around on the AAA gun for film and photographers and didn't actually shoot it at US targets.


She was firing on American Airmen in what she called a "a two-minute lapse of sanity", which sounds more like a fake plea of insanity to avoid the consequences of her actions.

In my planned diorama, the two minutes she spent firing at an American F-105 attracts the attention of an F-4G which has homed in on the S-60's Grom-2 radar and fired an AGM-45 onto her position...


it wasn't an F4g, but either and f4c or F4d with sensors borrowed from a Wild Weasel F105G. A radar lock on would have meant the gun was toast in about 30 long seconds.
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