Thanks for all the imput, I've only been making models for about a year and a half now, and I took about a 6 or 7 month break, I only started building again last november, but during that break I read up on alot of techniques and went through tons of build reviews and tutorials, now its just a matter of working on them and being able to actualy execute them, washes and fiters are something I realy need to start doing more of, and I also need to practice oil dot filters, im still learning, but whenever I ask for help on tips or techniques on the sight, people usualy jump to help, im pretty impressed with the modeling community, there a very helpful bunch