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Armor/AFV: Axis - WWII
Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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Mendes
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Posted: Saturday, March 22, 2014 - 03:22 AM UTC
Gentlemen, this project is about the DML / Dragon Schwerer Plattformwagen SSy tip, plus the Tamiya Flak 88 kit. Many details were added, especially:

1. Eduard PE for Flak 88
2. Metal tube for Flak 88 from Jordi Rubio
3. The Tamiya shield was replaced by Dragon (more large)
4. Metal projectiles Flak 88 (2 types)
5. Large scratch
6. Other accessories on the platform
7. Figures from Dragon
8. Decals "Third Group" 35007, essential starting point for assembly the kit.


INSPIRING IMAGES:






THE KIT:






























Bye!
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Saturday, March 22, 2014 - 03:40 AM UTC
Nice work.
Please consider that the wagon needs some stabalizers too.
Colours are great, platformwagon has a nice weathering. Buffers could use soem grease on it. Germans treated their railwaymaterial very well.

Regards,

RJ
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Posted: Saturday, March 22, 2014 - 05:09 AM UTC
Mr. Robert, many thanks for your comment, much appreciated.

I do not understand anything about maintenance of wagons.

Thanks for your advice.
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Saturday, March 22, 2014 - 05:39 AM UTC
Some nice pictures from a German Historical site.

First is made somewhere in Russia. FLAK is based on Russian platformwagons.

Second shows FLAK used by the Germans to protect their big cities like Hamburg. These platforms are a permanent FLAK on rails.


About the maintenance, Couplers - bufferdiscs and working parts where well treated. Lots of oil and grease to keep it going, even in Russian winters.

Again, nice modeling.
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Posted: Saturday, March 22, 2014 - 06:22 AM UTC
Mr. Robert, I really liked the photos.

Thank you again!

Cheers
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Posted: Saturday, March 22, 2014 - 07:32 AM UTC
Nice model bud

I'm intrigued, what are the tank silhouettes on the shield? Surely they aren't kills!

Andy
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Posted: Saturday, March 22, 2014 - 08:33 AM UTC
Thank you Andy.

Yes, the tank silhouettes are the kills of all gun battery, including the marks on the barrel of the cannon.
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Posted: Saturday, March 22, 2014 - 08:39 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Thank you Andy.

Yes, the tank silhouettes are the kills of all gun battery, including the marks on the barrel of the cannon.



Ah, the battery! Not that single gun then !
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Posted: Saturday, March 22, 2014 - 09:31 AM UTC

"Ah, the battery! Not that single gun then !"


Exactly!
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Posted: Saturday, March 22, 2014 - 10:44 AM UTC
There's only about 40 kills chalked up there. To be honest, on the Eastern Front, that's possibly low for even a single gun. The Russians lost a lot of armor during the war (to the tune of just south of 100,000 pieces!). At that loss rate, it almost wouldn't surprise me to find PanzerGrenadier's with over 40 armor kills.
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Posted: Saturday, March 22, 2014 - 03:07 PM UTC

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There's only about 40 kills chalked up there. To be honest, on the Eastern Front, that's possibly low for even a single gun. The Russians lost a lot of armor during the war (to the tune of just south of 100,000 pieces!). At that loss rate, it almost wouldn't surprise me to find PanzerGrenadier's with over 40 armor kills.



I understand what you mean, but humbly and with all due respect, you are wrong in this case.

Certainly those marks represents the kills of the gun battery, according to the sources, like the Concord books.

Also please note that in the photos the two guns are different and have the same markings.

I thank your comment.



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Posted: Saturday, March 22, 2014 - 03:47 PM UTC
Nice work Cesar. May I make a suggestion on your 8.8cm Flak 37?

The barrel of your Flak 37 is in full recoil -- this would happen only at the moment of firing. Yet your breach block is open, as if a round is about to be loaded. The two can not happen at the same time.

You probably need to push the barrel as far forward as it can go.

Personally, I would omit the "camouflage net" as they were meant to be emplaced above guns/vehicles to break up their shape. As it's draped, it can only get tangled.

Also, omit most of the rifles and StG. A flak crew wouldn't have them lying about. Even if they did have the weapons, they'd be neatly stacked somewhere. Keep it simple too -- all Kar 98K. They almost certainly wouldn't have gotten valuable GW41s or StG 44s. They weren't assault infantry but flak men
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Posted: Saturday, March 22, 2014 - 08:16 PM UTC

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I understand what you mean, but humbly and with all due respect, you are wrong in this case.



Actually, you did misunderstand my comment. I didn't post it to debate the rights or wrongs of the markings. I was just pointing out that on the Eastern Front, 40+ kills for a single gun would have been entirely possible.

One thing I am curious about though, is the use of both silhouettes and rings. Were they denoting vehicle kills with the silhouettes and aircraft kills with the rings?

Good catch on the recoiled barrel, Roy. I missed that completely.
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2014 - 03:24 AM UTC

Quoted Text


Quoted Text

I understand what you mean, but humbly and with all due respect, you are wrong in this case.



Actually, you did misunderstand my comment. I didn't post it to debate the rights or wrongs of the markings. I was just pointing out that on the Eastern Front, 40+ kills for a single gun would have been entirely possible.

One thing I am curious about though, is the use of both silhouettes and rings. Were they denoting vehicle kills with the silhouettes and aircraft kills with the rings?

Good catch on the recoiled barrel, Roy. I missed that completely.




Mr. Bob, I want to present my apologies, because I did not understand what you mean above.

Really was a misunderstanding.

I thank the clarification.


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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2014 - 06:45 AM UTC

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Mr. Bob, I want to present my apologies, because I did not understand what you mean above. Really was a misunderstanding. I thank the clarification.



No problem Cesar.

I am still curious of the marking differences, if anyone knows.
Mendes
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2014 - 06:45 AM UTC
Mr. Roy, I thank your comments and advice.

Look, I'm a modest modeler. I'm always learning with the others.

Then, your comments are welcome.

By the way, the machine gun in the box is a soviet PPS-43 (captured) not a german StG.

Cheers
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2014 - 07:48 AM UTC
Great model !

Very nice and the dio adds considerably to the realism
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Posted: Sunday, March 23, 2014 - 12:25 PM UTC
Many thanks!!!

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