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Need Help with stone walls
lestweforget
Victoria, Australia
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Posted: Monday, December 22, 2003 - 08:28 PM UTC
G'day everyone, for my dio that i am currently working on (working on the figs actually) i want to have a stone barn/shed, it has to be 1:35 scale, problem is i have no idea how to go about making one, i thought about making the wall out of plaster then carving the stone shapes into it, or making a mold out of rubber and pressing little pebbles into it, to make a mold to pour plaster into it, but they all seem like they would take sooo long, i want a quick, simple way to make stone walls, anyone who knows how to do this should have it made into a feature, as im sure it would be very helpful to others thanks in advance, cheers
Sensei
Belgrade, Serbia & Montenegro
Joined: October 25, 2003
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Posted: Monday, December 22, 2003 - 08:41 PM UTC
well, im a beginner level in modeling kits but for my current dio me and my friend were building a stone bridge and what we did was using a styropore as a base, wrapped it into DAP glynamol (plaster?) and that while it was still fresh pressed small stones into it (add a drop of super glue on every stone just for case), ofc u will need some painting on plaster to make it look better but if u use nice stones u dont need to paint them too, its a small bridge 18x9cm but it looks pretty nice and realistic, sry for not having pics of it.... hope this helped , if not , im sure u will get more help
povolo
Zeeland, Netherlands
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Posted: Monday, December 22, 2003 - 11:22 PM UTC
I make my walls out of plaster. I make a plate of plaster. I do that on a piece of styrene form about 30 x 30 cm. Than i make with balsawood strips from 7 mm thick the outerline of the wall. Glue it to the st yrenesheet with white glue. After dry then go to the plaster. Stire it, shake it and do it in the master. When it is almost dry (4-6 hours) then go carving the stones. Then spray it a little dark grey, whipe it off and you have the seals between the stone's. Than take your brush and paint and go painting the stones if you want. Take different colours from red, orange, brown. Then higlight.
There your wall is.
There your wall is.
slodder
North Carolina, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 12:49 AM UTC
I've done it a number of ways
First way is to do exactally what you mention. Make a small section by pushing rocks into a bit of wall spackle. Then coat it with latex for a mold and pour as many as you need for the project.
Second way is to pour a blank of blaster as etch in rocks. Can be slow.
You can also build a wall if you have a lot of the correct kind of rocks. Make a base plate and apply a bit of spackle to it and push the rocks in.
If you can find a resin piece of wall that you like you can make multiple molds of that and pour a number of them at a time.
The other way to do this is to get a food prep foam trays and a dull etching tool and 'carve' a wall.
Check this article for more detail.
https://armorama.kitmaker.net//features/142
First way is to do exactally what you mention. Make a small section by pushing rocks into a bit of wall spackle. Then coat it with latex for a mold and pour as many as you need for the project.
Second way is to pour a blank of blaster as etch in rocks. Can be slow.
You can also build a wall if you have a lot of the correct kind of rocks. Make a base plate and apply a bit of spackle to it and push the rocks in.
If you can find a resin piece of wall that you like you can make multiple molds of that and pour a number of them at a time.
The other way to do this is to get a food prep foam trays and a dull etching tool and 'carve' a wall.
Check this article for more detail.
https://armorama.kitmaker.net//features/142
ambrose82
California, United States
Joined: November 15, 2003
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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 03:54 AM UTC
Hey Lestweforget,
Here's an easy way to make one-sided stone walls using common materials...
You need... Legos, plaster, non-drying modelling clay, lots of small rocks and pebbles, a moderately stiff and large (1" or 2") paint brush.
Step 1. Make a base using Legos or some other building block. It should be flat and slightly larger than the wall dimensions. Use legos to build a dam for pouring the plaster later.
step 2. put down a layer of clay in the shape of your wall. not perfectly smooth. again using legos to set the depth of your wall and to dam in around the outside edge of your wall.
Step 3. Stipple the clay using the paint brush to create a nice rough texture on the clay. This will help texture the stone and the mortar used to hold it together.
Step 4. Press the pebbles gently into the clay to create depressions and rocky shapes. put them fairly close together, but don't push them too deep. You just want to show the face of the stone, not the whole thing.
Step 5. Now that all your impressions are made, pour your plaster and viola! Instant rock wall. Now you just need to paint it...
Alternatively, you could pour straight plaster on stippled clay and then scribe in the rocks. But, they may look a bit flat.
Here's an easy way to make one-sided stone walls using common materials...
You need... Legos, plaster, non-drying modelling clay, lots of small rocks and pebbles, a moderately stiff and large (1" or 2") paint brush.
Step 1. Make a base using Legos or some other building block. It should be flat and slightly larger than the wall dimensions. Use legos to build a dam for pouring the plaster later.
step 2. put down a layer of clay in the shape of your wall. not perfectly smooth. again using legos to set the depth of your wall and to dam in around the outside edge of your wall.
Step 3. Stipple the clay using the paint brush to create a nice rough texture on the clay. This will help texture the stone and the mortar used to hold it together.
Step 4. Press the pebbles gently into the clay to create depressions and rocky shapes. put them fairly close together, but don't push them too deep. You just want to show the face of the stone, not the whole thing.
Step 5. Now that all your impressions are made, pour your plaster and viola! Instant rock wall. Now you just need to paint it...
Alternatively, you could pour straight plaster on stippled clay and then scribe in the rocks. But, they may look a bit flat.
lestweforget
Victoria, Australia
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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:53 AM UTC
Thanks for all the suggestions guys, i think i will go with the method of carving the stones into the plaster, have a great christmas everyone, and good luck with whatecer you all may be working on! cheers
lestweforget
Victoria, Australia
Joined: November 08, 2002
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Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2003 - 11:57 AM UTC
i didnt mean to do that weird face, so dont think i was meaning anything about your models, lol, i ment to do so yeah, just wanted to clear that up just incase, ok cya