Hi !!
I just want to ask you if this can be made, can the M977 truck transport an apache attack helicopter?
If so did someone have a picture?
If not which alternatives do I have?
Regards
Blackwoodie
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Cobra Helo on M977
blackwoodie
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Posted: Friday, June 13, 2014 - 02:05 PM UTC
tanknick22
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Posted: Friday, June 13, 2014 - 03:12 PM UTC
it wont work
AJLaFleche
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Posted: Friday, June 13, 2014 - 03:18 PM UTC
AH64 Apache: Fuselage length: 49 ft 5 in (15.06 m)
Note, the nose gear is very near the front and the tail gear is at the very back if the fuselage.
M977: Length 33.4 ft (10.2 m)
AH-1G Cobra: Fuselage length: 44 ft 7 in (13.6 m)
Now, given the skids, a Cobra COULD theoretically fit in the back of an M977 but there'd be a whole lot of overhang.
Note, the nose gear is very near the front and the tail gear is at the very back if the fuselage.
M977: Length 33.4 ft (10.2 m)
AH-1G Cobra: Fuselage length: 44 ft 7 in (13.6 m)
Now, given the skids, a Cobra COULD theoretically fit in the back of an M977 but there'd be a whole lot of overhang.
Maxymilian
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Posted: Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 04:32 AM UTC
In reality, they will use some kind of flatbed rather than M977.
By why not, be creative and built one, that will be at least something different.
By why not, be creative and built one, that will be at least something different.
junglejim
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Posted: Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 04:45 PM UTC
I'm sure I've seen a photo of an AH-1W in the back of a HEMTT in a Concord book. I figured it would be on the Internets somewhere but no luck on the Google machine. I'll have to start looking through some books...
Jim
Jim
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Posted: Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 05:53 PM UTC
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I'm sure I've seen a photo of an AH-1W in the back of a HEMTT in a Concord book. I figured it would be on the Internets somewhere but no luck on the Google machine. I'll have to start looking through some books...
Jim
In Concord 1026 (Third Brave Rifles In The Gulf) there´s a pic of AH-1 on a flatbed towed by M-800 series recovery truck. In the same book there is HEMMT with Huey (or at least a torso of Huey) in the cargo area.
Jiri
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Posted: Sunday, June 15, 2014 - 06:15 AM UTC
In Concord 1026 (Third Brave Rifles In The Gulf) there´s a pic of AH-1 on a flatbed towed by M-800 series recovery truck. In the same book there is HEMMT with Huey (or at least a torso of Huey) in the cargo area.
Jiri [/quote]
It`s the hulk of an OH-58 Kiowa on the HEMTT.
Another question. Why should an Apache be transported on a HEMTT? Because it looks cool? I think the only way to transport a downed Apache is to use a M1070 HETS.
H.-H.
Jiri [/quote]
It`s the hulk of an OH-58 Kiowa on the HEMTT.
Another question. Why should an Apache be transported on a HEMTT? Because it looks cool? I think the only way to transport a downed Apache is to use a M1070 HETS.
H.-H.
blackwoodie
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Posted: Sunday, June 15, 2014 - 06:06 PM UTC
Hi and thanks to all !!
And what about convert a m977 into a m1074 PLS ? it would fit ? and someone have blue prints or know about a conversion?
Regards
And what about convert a m977 into a m1074 PLS ? it would fit ? and someone have blue prints or know about a conversion?
Regards
HermannB
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2014 - 04:00 AM UTC
Hi there,
building an M1074 PLS is pretty complex. First you have to add the 5th axle. Second, the suspension system is different from the HEMTT. Definitly no conversion kit out there.
Oshkosh Corporation homepage has some downloads but I am not sure that this will be enough.
http://oshkoshdefense.com/
H.-H.
building an M1074 PLS is pretty complex. First you have to add the 5th axle. Second, the suspension system is different from the HEMTT. Definitly no conversion kit out there.
Oshkosh Corporation homepage has some downloads but I am not sure that this will be enough.
http://oshkoshdefense.com/
H.-H.
HermannB
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2014 - 04:03 AM UTC
Primeportal.net has some walkarounds on the PLS.
http://www.primeportal.net/hemtt/m1075_walk.htm
http://www.primeportal.net/hemtt/m1075_walk.htm
Recon
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2014 - 04:06 AM UTC
Who makes the Cobra in 1/35 or 1/32?
Mike
Mike
HermannB
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2014 - 04:13 AM UTC
Hi Mike,
MRC has done the AH-1W in 1/35 scale. Quite a neat kit, but so far, no US Army Cobra available.
@blackwoodie:
How about this?
http://www.alu.army.mil/alog/issues/JulAug04/army_aviation.html
Cheers
H.-H.
MRC has done the AH-1W in 1/35 scale. Quite a neat kit, but so far, no US Army Cobra available.
@blackwoodie:
How about this?
http://www.alu.army.mil/alog/issues/JulAug04/army_aviation.html
Cheers
H.-H.
Maxymilian
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Posted: Monday, June 16, 2014 - 04:56 AM UTC
It may be Huey:
another cobra:
another cobra:
Recon
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Posted: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 - 07:09 AM UTC
How good is the Revell Apache? I am thinking of using that if I cannot find the AH-1.
Mike
Mike
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Posted: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 - 08:22 AM UTC
Hi Mike,
the Revell kit is pretty good, but is an earlier Apache. There a company from Korea called Kangnam who does two 1/35 scale Apaches, one AH-64 A and one AH-64 D.
HTH
H.-H.
the Revell kit is pretty good, but is an earlier Apache. There a company from Korea called Kangnam who does two 1/35 scale Apaches, one AH-64 A and one AH-64 D.
HTH
H.-H.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 - 01:21 PM UTC
Stay as far away from the Kangnam kits as possible. They are horribly inaccurate and misshapen. The D is just the A model with a couple inaccurate d-like pieces added. Bottom line - they suck.
It would be much better to build the Revell A model and get the Cobra Company and Verlinden resin upgrade sets and the Eduard PE set for it to come up with a really nice, pretty current AH-64A.
It would be much better to build the Revell A model and get the Cobra Company and Verlinden resin upgrade sets and the Eduard PE set for it to come up with a really nice, pretty current AH-64A.
blackwoodie
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Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 - 01:58 AM UTC
Hi guys !!
Thanks for the info and photos, I have heard too that the kangman models are a mess, also if I rememeber well the revell apache is 1/32.
Adam the picture with the huey looks great, I think I'm gonna need to change of chopper, but anybody know the version?
Thanks for your time I really appreciate.
Regards
Blackwoodie
Thanks for the info and photos, I have heard too that the kangman models are a mess, also if I rememeber well the revell apache is 1/32.
Adam the picture with the huey looks great, I think I'm gonna need to change of chopper, but anybody know the version?
Thanks for your time I really appreciate.
Regards
Blackwoodie
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Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 - 02:18 AM UTC
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I'm sure I've seen a photo of an AH-1W in the back of a HEMTT in a Concord book. I figured it would be on the Internets somewhere but no luck on the Google machine. I'll have to start looking through some books...
Jim
The AH-1W is a marine helo and the marines dont use the m977, the M977 is used only by the army
HeavyArty
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Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 - 03:23 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi guys !!
Thanks for the info and photos, I have heard too that the kangman models are a mess, also if I rememeber well the revell apache is 1/32.
Adam the picture with the huey looks great, I think I'm gonna need to change of chopper, but anybody know the version?
Thanks for your time I really appreciate.
Regards
Blackwoodie
That pic is from Operation Desert Storm (ODS, '90-'91). The Huey would be a UH-1H. An H model can be made from either the 1/35 Panda/Dragon UH-1D (all the H parts are in the kit) or from the 1/32 Revell UH-1D/H kits.
The 1/32 scale mixing w/1/35 is not really an issue since they are mixed type vehicle (helo and truck) If you had two HMMWVs and one was 1/32 and one 1/32, then it would be noticable. I regulary mix 1/32 helos w/1/35 armorand figures and they look great together.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 - 07:11 AM UTC
The AH-1W is a marine helo and the marines dont use the m977, the M977 is used only by the army[/quote
I will make sure to stop the next convoy I see leaving camp lejeune. I will let them know that they are not supposed to have there vehicles
HeavyArty
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Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 - 07:21 AM UTC
Quoted Text
The AH-1W is a marine helo and the marines dont use the m977, the M977 is used only by the army
Quoted Text
I will make sure to stop the next convoy I see leaving camp lejeune. I will let them know that they are not supposed to have there vehicles
The statement that the USMC does not use M977 HEMTTs is correct. You may be confusing them w/the USMC Mk.48 LVS (Logistics Vehicle System). It is a two-piece tractor and trailer system that has a similar front to a HEMTT, but can have multiple different rear cargo sections added.
Mk.48
backswampcub
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Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 - 07:42 AM UTC
Well then I will definetly not stop and say something then. I swear I have seen non articulated versions on the road around here.
HermannB
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Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 - 12:53 PM UTC
Perhaps you saw the new LVSR? Logistics Vehicle System Replacement is a version that looks like the Army`s M1074 PLS.
H.-H.
H.-H.
HermannB
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Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 - 12:58 PM UTC
In Concord 1026 (Third Brave Rifles In The Gulf) there´s a pic of AH-1 on a flatbed towed by M-800 series recovery truck. In the same book there is HEMMT with Huey (or at least a torso of Huey) in the cargo area.
Jiri [/quote]
Not a UH-1 D but rather an OH-58 A Kiowa
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151477648826695.1073741826.75168056694&type=3
Sadly no OH-58 A kit out there.
H.-H.
Jiri [/quote]
Not a UH-1 D but rather an OH-58 A Kiowa
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151477648826695.1073741826.75168056694&type=3
Sadly no OH-58 A kit out there.
H.-H.
mikeo
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Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 04:59 AM UTC
"Sadly no OH-58 A kit out there."
Ummm. I'm pretty sure I have two MRC ones in my stash. (1/35th)
Not sure if they are "A" models though.
Ummm. I'm pretty sure I have two MRC ones in my stash. (1/35th)
Not sure if they are "A" models though.
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