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Dragon: German Artillery and CrewPosted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 12:08 AM UTC
An announcement from Dragon Models has a German 10.5cm artillery gun with crew on the way.
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PantherF
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 12:21 AM UTC
A perfect set that will work in my new upcoming Campaign!
http://armorama.com/forums/223338&page=1
Nice write up Kevin!
Jeff
http://armorama.com/forums/223338&page=1
Nice write up Kevin!
Jeff
Giovanni1508
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 12:31 AM UTC
Hi Kevin,
Very nice kit, with 10.5cm leFH 18 gun + crew, suitable for a nice diorama !
Thanks for posting
Biggles2
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 02:01 AM UTC
This is a 105mm on a Pak 40 carriage, isn't it? AFV released one a couple of years ago. Nothing badly wrong with that kit, but I hope Dragon isn't stooping to reboxing that gun with their original Pak 40 crew, like some other major model manufacturers.
panzerbob01
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 02:16 AM UTC
Maybe this is the 105 the D made for that interesting kit of the LeFH 18/40/2 sf Auf G W Pz Kpfw III/IV (kit 6710, I think?)? I think that kit came with a complete LeFH 18 - wheels, trails, shield, etc. - just like on the real thing. Presumably for to be able to off-load and set up that piece. I don't know for sure what mount that D gun came with - but THINK it may also be this PaK 40 mount...? So, was that item a borrowed AFV gun, or a complete Dragon new-tooling? IF the latter, than THIS kit could be a boxing of that gun with a crew added. (PS: the pictured figures look reasonable for this LeFH and not for the PaK 40 (crouching) but I could be wrong!
bill_c
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 02:35 AM UTC
Glad to see more artillery crews.
jrutman
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 02:42 AM UTC
I agree with the previous poster that said this is a collection of gun parts from the grasshopper kit.
This combo may have been used but it looks kind of rare. The later version may have used a cut down shield but not usually. The last versions of the 18/40 style guns had this muzzle brake so the recoil was dampened,letting the gun be put on the much lighter set up used by the 75mm Pak. But it would be unusual to see these late features with the older style stamped metal wheels.
Poses for the crew look good,although they are miss placed in the pic. Gunners usually only had one set of ammo pouches though. Of course,as is always the case,there are exceptions in period pics.
Pretty nice looking kit.
J
This combo may have been used but it looks kind of rare. The later version may have used a cut down shield but not usually. The last versions of the 18/40 style guns had this muzzle brake so the recoil was dampened,letting the gun be put on the much lighter set up used by the 75mm Pak. But it would be unusual to see these late features with the older style stamped metal wheels.
Poses for the crew look good,although they are miss placed in the pic. Gunners usually only had one set of ammo pouches though. Of course,as is always the case,there are exceptions in period pics.
Pretty nice looking kit.
J
nikon1
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 05:51 AM UTC
What's interesting is the figures are the same as in the 1/72 scale Pak 35/36, Pak 40 kit.
Biggles2
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Posted: Friday, June 20, 2014 - 07:10 AM UTC
Didn't Dragon's last Pak 40 release (in 1/35)also have these figs? Minus the ramrod and heavier caliber ammo.
Hohenstaufen
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Posted: Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 07:23 AM UTC
Wheels on the gun look a bit small compared with the picture of this equipment in Hoggs "German Artillery of WW2", they look like Pak 40 wheels, which are too small in this use and place the breech too close to the ground in full elevation. However this may be an optical illusion from this angle. The crew would really need to be in late war uniforms to go with the gun, no marschsteifel, more "retreat gaiters" and ankle boots.
Modelltreff
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Posted: Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 10:22 AM UTC
The crew looks like the PaK crew, indeed...
I like the fact to see something new from Dragon that isn't the 64.657th rendition of a PzKpfW III or IV.
But I really like to know why (when they seem to bring something new the first time after so many years of producing the same kits a thousand times with just a couple of new parts...) they choose a subject that is well done by another great manufacturer like AFV Club.
AFV Club has done 3 different Versions and I have no doubt that Dragon now will bring every imaginable version anyone could think of, too...
Aren't there many many other WW2 cars, trucks or arty pieces that never were rendered in a model before???
I like the fact to see something new from Dragon that isn't the 64.657th rendition of a PzKpfW III or IV.
But I really like to know why (when they seem to bring something new the first time after so many years of producing the same kits a thousand times with just a couple of new parts...) they choose a subject that is well done by another great manufacturer like AFV Club.
AFV Club has done 3 different Versions and I have no doubt that Dragon now will bring every imaginable version anyone could think of, too...
Aren't there many many other WW2 cars, trucks or arty pieces that never were rendered in a model before???
Biggles2
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Posted: Sunday, June 22, 2014 - 04:47 AM UTC
Easier and cheaper for a company to re-use previous toolings! Maybe to fund an upcoming new-tooled release (which will undoubtedly be full of inaccuracies and errors, and be panned by both critics and modellers )
bill_c
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Posted: Monday, June 23, 2014 - 02:53 AM UTC
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Maybe to fund an upcoming new-tooled release (which will undoubtedly be full of inaccuracies and errors, and be panned by both critics and modellers )
Yes, DML seems poised for failure.