Scott and H.P,
Thanks as always for your help and sharing of information.
It seems as if the IFOR vehicles were quite a mix-match of versions. That of course makes it all the more interesting :-)
Thanks for the great pics as well!
Sven
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M2A2 (IFOR) interior layout
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Posted: Monday, June 30, 2014 - 01:48 AM UTC
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It seems as if the IFOR vehicles were quite a mix-match of versions. That of course makes it all the more interesting :-)
The thing is that I believe the ODS Bradley variant wasn't official till after IFOR mission started (might have been earlier since the electronic transmission was found on new build MLRS in 1994)? I don't remember hearing about it till after I got out of the army in 1997.
Personally I define an ODS Bradley as one with an electronically controlled transmission with the additional upgrades like the new exhaust, gunners dog house etc...the older models could be upgraded with them also, but would lack the new transmission, until they where completely overhauled/rebuilt at a later date.
The difference between the Mechanical and electronic transmissions is the lack of linkages on the transmission. It was also a far better transmission to0...I worked on them with the MLRS.
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Posted: Monday, June 30, 2014 - 10:55 PM UTC
Thanks again Scott!
So you could basically use the Meng transmission and engine in a pre-ODS vehicle as long as you add the linkages on the transmission?
I believe it was a different engine in the early M2's so I guess that would count them out for the Meng engine/tranny?
Sorry for all the questions, but this is an interesting topic,
So you could basically use the Meng transmission and engine in a pre-ODS vehicle as long as you add the linkages on the transmission?
I believe it was a different engine in the early M2's so I guess that would count them out for the Meng engine/tranny?
Sorry for all the questions, but this is an interesting topic,
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Posted: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 - 12:50 AM UTC
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Thanks again Scott!
So you could basically use the Meng transmission and engine in a pre-ODS vehicle as long as you add the linkages on the transmission?
I believe it was a different engine in the early M2's so I guess that would count them out for the Meng engine/tranny?
I need to take a closer look at the transmission on the Meng kit to see what they did with it. I know some Bradleys had an upgraded engine with another Turbo charger on it, but I'm not sure if the status of it or if it even made it into production.
But the Turbo is stuffed behind the engine and is nearly impossible to see anyways.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 - 05:39 PM UTC
Thanks Scott!
(sorry for the late response)
Seems potentislly feasible then that the Meng engine and tranny can be used :-)
More questions continue to pop into my head as I study pics:
I noticed that there are what seem to be additional armour plates covering the interior walls on the newer vehicles. Was this an ODS mod as well? Perhaps done at the same time as the seating was reconfigured to benches?
Secondly, how are the lower panels on the side "skirts" raised? Are they hinged up, or do they slide up? I find it curious that the "handles" (or steps?) are still visible (albeit facing in the opposite direction) when the panels are raised. Unless there are "steps" on the inside of the panels as well (for whatever reason).
Thanks again,
Sven
(sorry for the late response)
Seems potentislly feasible then that the Meng engine and tranny can be used :-)
More questions continue to pop into my head as I study pics:
I noticed that there are what seem to be additional armour plates covering the interior walls on the newer vehicles. Was this an ODS mod as well? Perhaps done at the same time as the seating was reconfigured to benches?
Secondly, how are the lower panels on the side "skirts" raised? Are they hinged up, or do they slide up? I find it curious that the "handles" (or steps?) are still visible (albeit facing in the opposite direction) when the panels are raised. Unless there are "steps" on the inside of the panels as well (for whatever reason).
Thanks again,
Sven
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Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 - 05:48 PM UTC
The inner panels are Kevlar spall liners and on all M2A2s. I don't think they are part of the ODS mods, but M2A2 and beyond.
The lower panels on the side skirts are not hinged in any way. They bolt in place. When you see them turned over, they have been removed and bolted back on in an upside-down position. Think of them being turned over 180 degrees and being reattached.
The lower panels on the side skirts are not hinged in any way. They bolt in place. When you see them turned over, they have been removed and bolted back on in an upside-down position. Think of them being turned over 180 degrees and being reattached.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 - 06:38 PM UTC
Hello Gino!
Thanks very much for that very fast answer! You must be up late tonight :-)
Cool, ok then even more of the Meng interior (spall liners) can be used in the M2A2 as well - good news.
I had a sneaking suspicion that the lower panels on the skirts were unbolted to place them in the up position, but it just seemed like too much work for the crew. :-) Thanks for that information as well.
I guess that also means that when the most rearward panel is placed in the upwards position, that the "sloped" edge actually faces inwards, which would look odd with a gap between it and the neighbouring panel, but correct I assume.
Cheers,
Sven
Thanks very much for that very fast answer! You must be up late tonight :-)
Cool, ok then even more of the Meng interior (spall liners) can be used in the M2A2 as well - good news.
I had a sneaking suspicion that the lower panels on the skirts were unbolted to place them in the up position, but it just seemed like too much work for the crew. :-) Thanks for that information as well.
I guess that also means that when the most rearward panel is placed in the upwards position, that the "sloped" edge actually faces inwards, which would look odd with a gap between it and the neighbouring panel, but correct I assume.
Cheers,
Sven
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Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 - 07:18 PM UTC
Yup, working night shift.
You can see the upturned rear plate below, with the angled end pointing forward.
And with all the panels turned up.
You can see the upturned rear plate below, with the angled end pointing forward.
And with all the panels turned up.
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Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 - 07:21 PM UTC
Super pictures, Gino, many thanks for those.
Have a good night :-)
Have a good night :-)
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Posted: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 - 07:30 PM UTC
Thanks Henk,
I agree, his work is stunning. I believe most of the interior, engine compartment etc is scratchbuilt on this one. Can't remember the name of the modeler, but the work is superb.
If its the same guy I am thinking of, I think he actually did two Bradleys, both with major scratchbuilding.
A true inspiration.
I agree, his work is stunning. I believe most of the interior, engine compartment etc is scratchbuilt on this one. Can't remember the name of the modeler, but the work is superb.
If its the same guy I am thinking of, I think he actually did two Bradleys, both with major scratchbuilding.
A true inspiration.
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On a semi-related note: How often was the rear roof hatch left open. I know that it would opened to reload the TOW but other than that, would the hatch normally be left open while the vehicle is moving (or even just parked)? I have seen very few pics of the real thing with the hatch open.
I know many modelers like to leave the hatch open so they can show off the interior but am curious if this was a routine practice on the real thing.
I know many modelers like to leave the hatch open so they can show off the interior but am curious if this was a routine practice on the real thing.
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Posted: Saturday, July 05, 2014 - 10:13 AM UTC
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On a semi-related note: How often was the rear roof hatch left open. I know that it would opened to reload the TOW but other than that, would the hatch normally be left open while the vehicle is moving (or even just parked)? I have seen very few pics of the real thing with the hatch open.
I know many modelers like to leave the hatch open so they can show off the interior but am curious if this was a routine practice on the real thing.
No they really didn't open them up...it would limit the turret rotation. To be honest, I don't ever recall them ever practicing reloading TOW rounds from the back either.
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Posted: Saturday, July 05, 2014 - 08:04 PM UTC
Interesting point regarding the rear hatch. I guess from a modellers point of view, its nice to have it open to display the interior and let some much needed light into the model, even though I have to admit the open hatch looks rather awkward on a Bradley since it is such a heavy piece (compared to the M113).
The questions continue as I study more pictures :-)
In som pics of M2A2 and M2A3 vehicles, I have seen a cluster of 3-4 ribbed hoses at the rear corners of the interior, on either side of the rear door. What are these hoses used for?
First I thought they are for gas extraction when firing weapons from the inside, but since these vehicles no longer have the firing ports, that is probably an incorrect assumption.
I also noticed that the Meng M2A3 Bradley does not have the drivers instrument panel, was this replaced by a single monitor in the driver's position on the A3's?
Cheers,
Sven
The questions continue as I study more pictures :-)
In som pics of M2A2 and M2A3 vehicles, I have seen a cluster of 3-4 ribbed hoses at the rear corners of the interior, on either side of the rear door. What are these hoses used for?
First I thought they are for gas extraction when firing weapons from the inside, but since these vehicles no longer have the firing ports, that is probably an incorrect assumption.
I also noticed that the Meng M2A3 Bradley does not have the drivers instrument panel, was this replaced by a single monitor in the driver's position on the A3's?
Cheers,
Sven
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Posted: Saturday, July 05, 2014 - 08:52 PM UTC
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In som pics of M2A2 and M2A3 vehicles, I have seen a cluster of 3-4 ribbed hoses at the rear corners of the interior, on either side of the rear door. What are these hoses used for?
http://data3.primeportal.net/apc/pierric_boudehen/m2a2_ods/images/m2a2_ods_075_of_109.jpg
I guess these could be the NBC filter unit hoses that can be connected to each crewmember’s protective gas mask if need be...
H.P.
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2014 - 01:34 AM UTC
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Quoted TextIn som pics of M2A2 and M2A3 vehicles, I have seen a cluster of 3-4 ribbed hoses at the rear corners of the interior, on either side of the rear door. What are these hoses used for?
http://data3.primeportal.net/apc/pierric_boudehen/m2a2_ods/images/m2a2_ods_075_of_109.jpg
I guess these could be the NBC filter unit hoses that can be connected to each crewmember’s protective gas mask if need be...
H.P.
Thanks H.P.,
That does make a lot of sense, even though I had not realized that the NBC filter system was used in that way (i.e. on a personal level per crew member).
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