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so, the better M113
trakpin
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Posted: Monday, August 11, 2014 - 10:42 AM UTC
would be tam with it's full interior or academy with its 7 figures and additional crew weapons
AJLaFleche
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Posted: Monday, August 11, 2014 - 10:49 AM UTC
Tamiya's crew figures are pretty weak, being well over 30 years old now. The weapons are much better in the Academy kit, with correct flash guards on the M60's. Tamiya's have what appear to be round tubes. The sights on the Tamiya weapons are solid and the Academy ones are finely detailed. The interior may have a few errors but has more detail that the tamiya kit. The kits share many exterior parts, however.
Delta42
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Posted: Monday, August 11, 2014 - 10:51 AM UTC
Academy is the most accurate of the two, but still needs work to be completely accurate.
Dave
Dave
armouredcharmer
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Posted: Friday, August 22, 2014 - 05:57 AM UTC
On another point both kits are mirror image - i`ve kitbashed several to get different versions.
C`mon,spill - what do you have to do to get an "accurate" M 113. (the first one who calls it a "Gavin" gets decked !
)
C`mon,spill - what do you have to do to get an "accurate" M 113. (the first one who calls it a "Gavin" gets decked !
) 
Anto992
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Posted: Friday, August 22, 2014 - 06:17 AM UTC
Hi Trackpin,
Also with the Academy version(s) you get a lot more additional bits and pieces.
The Vietnam one gives you the flame thrower turret, the Cadillac gage turret, floatation panels, stowage, spare crew weapons and a recoilless rifle plus crew and a Vietnamese lady.
The Standard US M113 gives you spare stowage, a Dragon ATGW with cupola mount.
Then there is the M981 FSTV, M163a1 SPAAG, M901 TOW, IDF Zelda and IDF fitter vehicle.
Anto
Also with the Academy version(s) you get a lot more additional bits and pieces.
The Vietnam one gives you the flame thrower turret, the Cadillac gage turret, floatation panels, stowage, spare crew weapons and a recoilless rifle plus crew and a Vietnamese lady.
The Standard US M113 gives you spare stowage, a Dragon ATGW with cupola mount.
Then there is the M981 FSTV, M163a1 SPAAG, M901 TOW, IDF Zelda and IDF fitter vehicle.
Anto
jphillips
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Posted: Friday, August 22, 2014 - 08:07 AM UTC
Academy's "Zelda" is supposed to be re-released in November.
parrot
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Posted: Friday, August 22, 2014 - 09:07 AM UTC
Go with Academy.
Better figures,More detail like grab straps on the interior and plenty of accessories.
Bigger bang for your buck.
Tom
Better figures,More detail like grab straps on the interior and plenty of accessories.
Bigger bang for your buck.
Tom
trakpin
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Posted: Saturday, August 23, 2014 - 11:01 PM UTC
got academy's M113 ACAV on the way, the one with crew and mrs. victor Charles. thx for inputting
Malvin
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Posted: Saturday, August 23, 2014 - 11:14 PM UTC
trakpin
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Posted: Saturday, August 23, 2014 - 11:27 PM UTC
great, just what I need. more deductions on my card 
actually, it'll be a 'nam version I'll be doing
actually, it'll be a 'nam version I'll be doing
MLD
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Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2014 - 01:29 AM UTC
plus in the Nam version you get the Vietnamese woman figure who is 9/10ths of the way to being a great zombie figure right out of the box..
ALBOWIE
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Posted: Sunday, August 24, 2014 - 10:54 AM UTC
Quoted Text
On another point both kits are mirror image - i`ve kitbashed several to get different versions.
C`mon,spill - what do you have to do to get an "accurate" M 113. (the first one who calls it a "Gavin" gets decked !
Really? the Tamiya kit is a petrol engined version whilst the Academy one has a Diesel engine. Just saying
Academy is a far better kit but still not 100%
Al
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Posted: Monday, August 25, 2014 - 08:10 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextOn another point both kits are mirror image - i`ve kitbashed several to get different versions.
C`mon,spill - what do you have to do to get an "accurate" M 113. (the first one who calls it a "Gavin" gets decked !
Really? the Tamiya kit is a petrol engined version whilst the Academy one has a Diesel engine. Just saying
Academy is a far better kit but still not 100%
Al
The power pack supplied in the Tamiya kits is 300% wrong for just about any M113. Plus the rest is not right in the engine compartment as well. Vietnam tracks had the water steer gear box removed be fore shipping to Asia. There were a few stateside M113's issued with the 361" Chrysler B block engine, and even a very few of these issued to the ARVN. The gear box is the very, very early version. Virtually none went over seas, as that gear box was dropped from production early on. The one for Vietnam was a take off of the Turbo Hydro 400, but seriously beefed up internally. If your building a late model M113, it will use the same engine (diesel), but have a completely different gear box, and no water steer gear box as well. The X200 gear box was a full hydro steer gear box, so it wasn't needed anymore.
gary
trakpin
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Posted: Monday, August 25, 2014 - 08:47 AM UTC
what engine has the academy, and will it need replacing? wouldn't mind a decent track set and update set including the aforementioned ramp winch
Delta42
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Posted: Monday, August 25, 2014 - 09:01 AM UTC
The Academy kit has the diesel engine.
trakpin
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Posted: Monday, August 25, 2014 - 09:11 AM UTC
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The Academy kit has the diesel engine.
thx. found in this thread: http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CDMQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Farmorama.com%2Fmodules.php%3Fop%3Dmodload%26name%3DSquawkBox%26file%3Dindex%26req%3Dviewtopic%26topic_id%3D12075%26page%3D1&ei=UJ37U76rIZTfoAS5lYGICQ&usg=AFQjCNGphbPmWCv0gRz6FceKE_A-LhK5-Q&bvm=bv.73612305,d.cGU&cad=rja that the engine compartment is wrong for the A1, but is instead the A2 version, and that the radio is wrong as well. fair bit of stuff in there on it too
ALBOWIE
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Posted: Monday, August 25, 2014 - 10:33 AM UTC
Trakpin, there is a lot of misinformation in that thread. I served on or repaired M113 for most of my 20 year carreer in the Australian Army. The Engine in that kit is the standard A1 installation that we had in our M113A1's. The radio setup is an an AN/VRC 125 or 160 (impossible to tell the difference externally) which incidentally is the same one in the Tamiya MUTT kit the person posting in the other thread recommends it be replaced with. I cannot vouch for what radios US carriers had in SVN but Australian ones carried the 125/160 as well as the 46 set (RT 524) and I am sure US carriers had various other permutations of the AN VRC 12 family of radio installations.
This kit is not perfect but it is closer to an M113A1 than Tamiyas M113
Cheers
Al
This kit is not perfect but it is closer to an M113A1 than Tamiyas M113
Cheers
Al
Delta42
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Posted: Monday, August 25, 2014 - 11:27 AM UTC
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The Engine in that kit is the standard A1 installation that we had in our M113A1's. The radio setup is an an AN/VRC 125 or 160 (impossible to tell the difference externally) which incidentally is the same one in the Tamiya MUTT kit the person posting in the other thread recommends it be replaced with. I cannot vouch for what radios US carriers had in SVN but Australian ones carried the 125/160 as well as the 46 set (RT 524) and I am sure US carriers had various other permutations of the AN VRC 12 family of radio installations.
Trakpin and Al,
I served half of my 20 yr career in Mech Inf. The engine as Al states is correct for the A1 version. However, if you are going to model a track in VN, the gas engine would be okay as well (for an M113). Both were found in VN. As for the radio setup in the Academy kit, the radio is correct, the mounting is not. The kit mounting is for an M125 or M106 mortar carriers. The box that the radio sits on is were the batteries for the track were located. They were moved there from the rear location because of the ammunition storage racks. The radios should be mounted on a shelf. Do an internet search of interior photos of M113A1s, and you can see this.
Hope this helps.
Dave B
jasmils
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Posted: Monday, August 25, 2014 - 03:22 PM UTC
Trackpin,
Go with the Academy one.
But your best bet is find a photo of the car you want to model and post it up here.
Including me, there are a few blokes here that have served on M113's at some time, or have a very good knowledge of the car over all eras and countries.
And considering we are also modellers, we can help in the aftermarket side as well.
Cheers Jason
Go with the Academy one.
But your best bet is find a photo of the car you want to model and post it up here.
Including me, there are a few blokes here that have served on M113's at some time, or have a very good knowledge of the car over all eras and countries.
And considering we are also modellers, we can help in the aftermarket side as well.
Cheers Jason
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Posted: Monday, August 25, 2014 - 05:50 PM UTC
Talking about engines...
Here's the Chrysler 75M gasoline engine fitted to early M113's (as included in Tamiya's kit) :
TM view :
Looks like some made it to Vietnam
and here's the Diesel GM 6V53 fitted to the M113A1 :
H.P.
Here's the Chrysler 75M gasoline engine fitted to early M113's (as included in Tamiya's kit) :
TM view :
Looks like some made it to Vietnam
and here's the Diesel GM 6V53 fitted to the M113A1 :
H.P.
trakpin
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Posted: Monday, August 25, 2014 - 10:56 PM UTC
thx ya'll. have a cookies (::) don't mnd the dots, those a raisons, not flies
found this pic : http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/pics/m113a2int2.jpg and this pic of academy's: http://www.militarymodelling.com/sites/1/images/member_albums/42604/018-vulling%20binnen%202.jpg
I'm assuming the first pic is correct
found this pic : http://afvdb.50megs.com/usa/pics/m113a2int2.jpg and this pic of academy's: http://www.militarymodelling.com/sites/1/images/member_albums/42604/018-vulling%20binnen%202.jpg
I'm assuming the first pic is correct
Frenchy
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Posted: Monday, August 25, 2014 - 11:27 PM UTC
One thing you'll have to correct regarding Academy interior is the fuel tank length. As you can see in the picture below (from the website of Mouse House Armour which has released a replacement part ), it's too long :
H.P.
H.P.
trakpin
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Posted: Monday, August 25, 2014 - 11:54 PM UTC
that fuel tank based on what was used in Oz? seem the ramp winch isn't the only thing I'll be needing
Delta42
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Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 - 01:07 AM UTC
Quoted Text
I'm assuming the first pic is correct
Yes, the first picture is correct for the radio mount.
Frenchy
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Posted: Tuesday, August 26, 2014 - 03:19 AM UTC
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that fuel tank based on what was used in Oz? seem the ramp winch isn't the only thing I'll be needing
I guess this (corrected) fuel tank should be OK for a Nam M113A1 (whatever the user
)H.P.
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