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Armor/AFV: Axis - WWII
Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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Supplemental armor on rear of tanks
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Posted: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 - 11:31 PM UTC

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That extra plate on the turret of the Panther would seem to be at least an inch thick--more than Panzer IV side armor.



Looking at the shadows on the Panther's extra armor make me think it is 2 thin plates with a gap in between. On the short cuts in the front and the round hole in the rear you can see the center is definitely darker than the upper and lower edges.
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Posted: Thursday, October 16, 2014 - 12:13 AM UTC
How much protection would logs strapped to the sides be versus the extra track blocks?
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Posted: Thursday, October 16, 2014 - 12:45 AM UTC

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Looking at the shadows on the Panther's extra armor make me think it is 2 thin plates with a gap in between.





from http://www.modelersalliance.com/forum/armoured-fury/19538-dml-1-35-panther-g-early-production

Another related thread here :

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/141100

H.P.
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Posted: Friday, October 17, 2014 - 03:23 AM UTC
Yeah, just like that!

Thanks for posting that info, Frenchy.
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Posted: Friday, October 17, 2014 - 04:12 PM UTC

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How much protection would logs strapped to the sides be versus the extra track blocks?


Against what threat?

An AP round? none, whatsoever
A HEAT round? none, unless the logs were stupid thick to defocus the plasma jet.
A magnetic mine? Lots, but overkill when a 1" thick plank will do the job.

HTH

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Posted: Friday, October 17, 2014 - 06:14 PM UTC

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That really bothered me about "Saving Private Ryan".
Did they not have any intel to know that Tanks are most vulnerable from the top, bottom and rear? I'm referring to thet last battle scene where Tom Sizemor's character tries firing the bazooka at the fron of, I think it was a Marder, in an urban setting, when they had ample shots from above.



"Saving Private Ryan" is better than most war films, but it does have some goofs. Not in this case, though--Marders were vulnerable to pretty much anything larger than a rifle bullet, from any angle. They were simply self-propelled antitank guns on light tank chassis, and terribly vulnerable when used offensively. Infantry commanders often failed to understand this, and tried to use them as assault guns, only to find them riddled by Russian antitank rifle fire within moments. And of course a hit from a US bazooka or British PIAT would devastate them.
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Posted: Friday, October 17, 2014 - 06:26 PM UTC

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How much protection would logs strapped to the sides be versus the extra track blocks?


Not much, but usually the logs were there primarily to help the tank crawl out of deep mud (especially if they are roped together), and only incidentally as "armor." They could provide a little standoff protection, though. The HEAT warhead's jet of hot gas and metal particles is effective only within a certain distance before it diffuses, so setting off a shaped charge prematurely can degrade its performance (that is the purpose of the bar or slat armor seen on AFVs in low intensity conflicts today). A shot to the side was often fired from an oblique angle to begin with, so the extra standoff might conceivably save the tank. It probably wouldn't help against the last versions of the Panzerfaust, but the earliest version had a pretty small warhead.
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