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Need to find civilian tyres for M151A2.
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Posted: Friday, January 23, 2015 - 10:28 PM UTC
Hi,

I need to find five tyres in plastic or resin, I'll adapt the tyres (probably from other wheels) on the Tamiya or Academy hubs.

Thanks for your help!

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Christophe
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Posted: Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 12:06 AM UTC
Meng offers a set of tires, not sure of their tread pattern. Otherwise, also from Meng would be the tires from any of their light truck kits.
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Posted: Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 12:12 AM UTC
Thanks!

Unfortunately, I think they might be a bit too large in diameter and definitely too wide anyway.



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Christophe
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Posted: Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 12:16 AM UTC
Here's a photo of what I'm after.



Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 12:56 AM UTC
Two options that might work after slight reworking of the sidewalls :

Hussar GAZ-69 civilian pattern.



MIG GAZ-66 civilian pattern.







What do you think?

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 01:17 AM UTC
I think Hussar's BA-64 civilian pattern tyres are pretty close.

I measured roadwheels in a M151A2 and BA-64 kit and they are quasi identical in diameter.

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Christophe
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Posted: Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 01:17 AM UTC
Better with a picture.



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Christophe
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Posted: Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 03:17 AM UTC
I've been looking for the same thing for over a year now to finish the Libyan gun truck I was working on. No luck so far finding anything with the right tread pattern that will actually fit. If I find anything I'll let yu know.
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Posted: Saturday, January 24, 2015 - 06:21 AM UTC
Thanks!

What kind of gun truck, another M151?


Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Sunday, January 25, 2015 - 06:36 AM UTC
The SKP civilian pattern jeep wheels may work. They look like the set you showed a pic of. You would have to adapt them to fit the kit wheels.



DEF Model's tires for Trumpeter's Modern JGSDF Type 73 may work too. They have basically the same wheel as an M151 as well.
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Posted: Sunday, January 25, 2015 - 07:47 AM UTC
Actual tires are 700 x 16 so basically anything that would normally go on a 16 inch rim and require tubes.

I rebuild mutts, the 1:1 scale. Usually you'd need different wheels/rims because most tires today are tubeless so that makes the original steel wheel useless for these.

There are some civilian tires that a person could find that require tubes and are exactly 700 x 16 but they are gettin old and pretty scarce.

I use these when I can because the military tires are horrible on wet pavement - lots of hydro planing. They are only decent off road but s till have lots to be desired from modern tread designs.

Here's a pic of my daily driver jeep. Look close enough and you'll see civilian tires on the rear. You also might notice that those back wheels are the very early magnesium alloy wheels with the oval shaped lightening holes.
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Posted: Sunday, January 25, 2015 - 08:36 AM UTC
Gino,

The Jeep wheels are too small, and the Type 73 wheels & rims are slightly too big.

Still searching and comparing...

Thank you everyone for your suggestions and help.

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Sunday, January 25, 2015 - 08:52 AM UTC

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I think Hussar's BA-64 civilian pattern tyres are pretty close.

I measured roadwheels in a M151A2 and BA-64 kit and they are quasi identical in diameter.

Cheers,

Christophe



I had measured the plastic wheels. I found the Hussar civilian pattern BA-64 resin wheels in my stash and they are slightly too small in diameter.

But then again, aren't the real civilian tyres fitted to the M151A2 smaller in overall diameter compared to military tyres?

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Sunday, January 25, 2015 - 08:18 PM UTC

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But then again, aren't the real civilian tyres fitted to the M151A2 smaller in overall diameter compared to military tyres?

Cheers,

Christophe



What's your mission? What are you making?

Civilian tires come in all sorts of sizes. I've found ones that are exactly 700 x 16, but with all terain tread.

The most common and practical practice is to replace the wheel/rim with a commercial wheel so you can mount tubeless tires more easily. Even when the Marines souped up the MUTT for their "fast attack" version you'll see that they replaced the standard stock steel wheels with a civilian version.

Basically, any civilian tire that will fit the 16 inch rims will work as long as it's not too tall - because every time you hit a bump it'd rub on the underside of the fender. Makes a loud buuuurrrrrrr sound and startles the hell out of you (ask how I know).

The old military non directional tires really suck on wet highways - in fact there were some from Europe use that had tinny cuts in the lugs to try to prevent hydro-planing on wet European highways but I don think it made much difference.
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Posted: Monday, January 26, 2015 - 03:17 AM UTC

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What's your mission? What are you making?




It's for a Lebenase Army M151A2 (see the picture I posted of the wheel only), apparently it's civilian tyres on military rims.



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The old military non directional tires really suck on wet highways - in fact there were some from Europe use that had tinny cuts in the lugs to try to prevent hydro-planing on wet European highways but I don think it made much difference.



For those interested, DEF make this type, marketed as IDF but useable for NATO like you said. Academy also have them in their IDF Mutt.

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Monday, January 26, 2015 - 03:48 AM UTC
The solution is at the end of this thread. I don't know why I deleted the photos, and I can't seem to find which box the project is in at the moment.

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/181324&page=1
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Posted: Monday, January 26, 2015 - 03:55 AM UTC
This may sound crazy - I'll bet you could take the plastic tire and wheel (like the one on Tamyia), cover the treads with pitty, roll the wet putty tire on a pattern, let it dry and the sand the sidewalls smoothe.

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Posted: Monday, January 26, 2015 - 04:25 AM UTC

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The solution is at the end of this thread. I don't know why I deleted the photos, and I can't seem to find which box the project is in at the moment.

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/181324&page=1



Thank you for this suggestion.

I have that UAZ kit, with what I assume are what you call "the good tyres" but I don't find the tread pattern that great personnaly... Will explore the UAZ road further (aftermarket and Trumpeter).

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2015 - 12:32 AM UTC
What about those?



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Posted: Monday, February 16, 2015 - 02:15 AM UTC
SKP just released a set for a Jeep "trailer", but they look pretty jeep-like to me.

http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/newkitnews/skpmodel.html
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Posted: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 06:24 AM UTC
Thanks but they're probably the same type as the WW2 Jeep, and those Jeep tyres are too small.

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 - 07:26 AM UTC
Die cast vehicles for five bucks will get you five tyres
I bought this at a Rite Aid


^ Five tyres in one


^ WELLY makes these. Notice the 5 tread pattern like the picture you posted


^ Tamiya


^ Academy


^ Tamiya









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Posted: Thursday, February 19, 2015 - 09:45 PM UTC
SKP GAZ-69 Wheels ?



H.P.
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Posted: Friday, February 20, 2015 - 07:10 AM UTC

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Die cast vehicles for five bucks will get you five tyres
I bought this at a Rite Aid




Looks good, thanks for the suggestion and the pics!

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Friday, February 20, 2015 - 07:11 AM UTC

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SKP GAZ-69 Wheels ?



Merci!

Well worth considering too.

Cheers,

Christophe
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