For my next project, I need an early production M4A4 which had direct vision ports. Unfortunately, there's nothing out there kit wise (that I know of) so a little kit bashing is required.
I took one Tasca Sherman III DV hull and removed the upper centre section. The same was done with a Tasca Sherman V hull. Makes a bit of a mess of the III hull, but here's the parts dry fitted with no filler etc at this stage...
The rest is headed for the bin....
Gary
Hosted by Darren Baker
Early M4A4
gastec
Auckland, New Zealand
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Posted: Saturday, July 04, 2015 - 11:25 AM UTC
postbusf
Noord-Brabant, Netherlands
Joined: November 15, 2007
KitMaker: 158 posts
Armorama: 154 posts
Joined: November 15, 2007
KitMaker: 158 posts
Armorama: 154 posts
Posted: Saturday, July 04, 2015 - 01:05 PM UTC
New TMD has a great collection of correct Tasca M4 (Sherman) hulls.
Also the correct early M4A4 hull you are building.
Their stuff is amazing.
Btw. I am not affiliated in any way with the New TMD.
Also the correct early M4A4 hull you are building.
Their stuff is amazing.
Btw. I am not affiliated in any way with the New TMD.
Posted: Saturday, July 04, 2015 - 01:20 PM UTC
Nice job on the m4a4 d.v.Ive got Tmd and the Resicast hull top for Tasca kit.Both are very well done indeed.One of my fave m4 variants.Good job that man.
Happy modeling from Richard
Happy modeling from Richard
gastec
Auckland, New Zealand
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Posted: Saturday, July 04, 2015 - 01:59 PM UTC
Thank you.
Yep, TMD do some good stuff and I have some in my stash. I especially liked their T6 Prototype kit ( http://www.plasticarmour.com/gary_boxall.html - towards bottom of page).
However, I wasn't aware that TMD made a DV M4A4 hull?
Gary
Yep, TMD do some good stuff and I have some in my stash. I especially liked their T6 Prototype kit ( http://www.plasticarmour.com/gary_boxall.html - towards bottom of page).
However, I wasn't aware that TMD made a DV M4A4 hull?
Gary
Posted: Saturday, July 04, 2015 - 08:29 PM UTC
Hidden in the "British WW2" section: M4A4 DV hull
Still, your build is already under way! (BTW, I'd save the hull ventilators and radio pot from those scraps before binning - you never know when they might come in handy...)
Still, your build is already under way! (BTW, I'd save the hull ventilators and radio pot from those scraps before binning - you never know when they might come in handy...)
gastec
Auckland, New Zealand
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Posted: Saturday, July 04, 2015 - 11:10 PM UTC
How did I miss that
I had a spare III DV hull just sitting in my spares box anyway so saved me a few coins doing it this way. Plus I don't usually take the easy route when building something different
Good idea bout the antenna pot and vent covers
Gary
I had a spare III DV hull just sitting in my spares box anyway so saved me a few coins doing it this way. Plus I don't usually take the easy route when building something different
Good idea bout the antenna pot and vent covers
Gary
GeraldOwens
Florida, United States
Joined: March 30, 2006
KitMaker: 3,736 posts
Armorama: 3,697 posts
Joined: March 30, 2006
KitMaker: 3,736 posts
Armorama: 3,697 posts
Posted: Sunday, July 05, 2015 - 02:13 AM UTC
I am a big fan of scratch building and kit bashing. Best of luck on your project! For less adventurous souls, besides the Tiger Model Designs resin M4A4 Direct Vision conversion, there was also one by Verlinden, which turns up on Ebay from time to time.
Nearly all of these early variants went into combat eventually. The US Army acquired over 1200 M4A4 tanks for training the new armored divisions. When Chrysler stopped building them in August, 1943, the British objected, so the Army released their training vehicles to be rebuilt at the factory and delivered to the UK (the training program was winding down, as the new armored divisions and independent tank battalions were overseas or getting ready to deploy, and the armor center just had to supply replacement personnel). Lend Lease deliveries ended in October, 1944.
Thus, you will sometimes see very early M4A4 tanks with appliqué armor (including blanked off vision ports), and M34A1 gun mounts in UK service.
Nearly all of these early variants went into combat eventually. The US Army acquired over 1200 M4A4 tanks for training the new armored divisions. When Chrysler stopped building them in August, 1943, the British objected, so the Army released their training vehicles to be rebuilt at the factory and delivered to the UK (the training program was winding down, as the new armored divisions and independent tank battalions were overseas or getting ready to deploy, and the armor center just had to supply replacement personnel). Lend Lease deliveries ended in October, 1944.
Thus, you will sometimes see very early M4A4 tanks with appliqué armor (including blanked off vision ports), and M34A1 gun mounts in UK service.
gastec
Auckland, New Zealand
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Posted: Sunday, July 05, 2015 - 04:16 AM UTC
Thanks for the info Gerald. This one is destined to be a Canadian vehicle.
Gary
Gary
gastec
Auckland, New Zealand
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Posted: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 - 11:52 AM UTC
The 'cut outs' below the vision ports are increased in size and bullet splash guards made from spare PE. The 'new' cast pieces received an application of Mr Surfacer to create a cast effect and Archer resin welds are added along with casting marks and numbers...
Gary
Gary
Posted: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 - 01:15 AM UTC
Neatly integrated!
ALBOWIE
New South Wales, Australia
Joined: February 28, 2006
KitMaker: 1,605 posts
Armorama: 1,565 posts
Joined: February 28, 2006
KitMaker: 1,605 posts
Armorama: 1,565 posts
Posted: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 - 04:16 AM UTC
Great piece of modelling. Nice to see some skill being applied. I am lucky enough to have one of Fabio Sacchi's masterpiece M4A4 DV hulls and lower hull conversion which was to be a Formations product I believe but I can now add more M4A4 DV using this technique.
Looking forward to seeing the end result
Al
Looking forward to seeing the end result
Al
gastec
Auckland, New Zealand
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Posted: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 - 11:38 AM UTC
Thank you gentlemen
Front end just about completed....
Light guards etc will be added later in the build.
Gary
Front end just about completed....
Light guards etc will be added later in the build.
Gary
jon_a_its
England - East Midlands, United Kingdom
Joined: April 29, 2004
KitMaker: 1,336 posts
Armorama: 1,137 posts
Joined: April 29, 2004
KitMaker: 1,336 posts
Armorama: 1,137 posts
Posted: Wednesday, July 08, 2015 - 10:24 PM UTC
Archer welds?
very nice work, btw, wish mine was that neat
very nice work, btw, wish mine was that neat
gastec
Auckland, New Zealand
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Posted: Friday, July 10, 2015 - 06:56 AM UTC
Thanks Jon Yes - Archer resin welds.
Upper hull is just about complete...
Gary
Upper hull is just about complete...
Gary
panamadan
Minnesota, United States
Joined: July 20, 2004
KitMaker: 1,513 posts
Armorama: 1,449 posts
Joined: July 20, 2004
KitMaker: 1,513 posts
Armorama: 1,449 posts
Posted: Friday, July 10, 2015 - 07:15 AM UTC
Good eye on detail Gary!
Dan
Dan
gastec
Auckland, New Zealand
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Posted: Friday, July 10, 2015 - 09:46 AM UTC
Cheers Dan.
Lower hull....
Gary
Lower hull....
Gary
gastec
Auckland, New Zealand
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Posted: Friday, July 10, 2015 - 10:46 AM UTC
Gary
Posted: Friday, July 10, 2015 - 01:31 PM UTC
Hi Gary,
You are doing a great job of the early m4a4.Like what you did with the vertical towing set up.Its something different and in my opinion you are doing a superb job.
Happy modelling from Richard
You are doing a great job of the early m4a4.Like what you did with the vertical towing set up.Its something different and in my opinion you are doing a superb job.
Happy modelling from Richard
gastec
Auckland, New Zealand
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Posted: Friday, July 10, 2015 - 02:31 PM UTC
Thank you Richard. Thought I'd try something different with the tow bar - not often seen modelled in this configuration.
In order to depict an early D50787 turret, I used an M34 gun mount, removed the hatch locks and mounted the lifting rings in the 'high' position. Casting details are again from Archer. The turret surface is 'roughened' up with a Dremel mounted burr and wet and dry sandpaper...
The .30 cal barrel is from Aber and I'm currently awaiting delivery of some more RB turned 75mm barrels. Tie downs are next to be added to the turret bustle.
Gary
In order to depict an early D50787 turret, I used an M34 gun mount, removed the hatch locks and mounted the lifting rings in the 'high' position. Casting details are again from Archer. The turret surface is 'roughened' up with a Dremel mounted burr and wet and dry sandpaper...
The .30 cal barrel is from Aber and I'm currently awaiting delivery of some more RB turned 75mm barrels. Tie downs are next to be added to the turret bustle.
Gary
gastec
Auckland, New Zealand
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Posted: Saturday, July 11, 2015 - 07:58 AM UTC
Tasca's suspension units are probably the best available in styrene, but still require a lot of clean up. Here are the 6 units in various stages of progress. Note the holes on the leading face of the units have the 4 holes added, volute spring adjusters on the top along with early type track skids...
Gary
Gary
gastec
Auckland, New Zealand
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Posted: Saturday, July 11, 2015 - 10:36 AM UTC
Another WIP shot. Gotta love those 12 miniscule rivets you need to add to each road wheel
Gary
Gary
gastec
Auckland, New Zealand
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Posted: Saturday, July 11, 2015 - 12:18 PM UTC
And all fitted neatly in place. The gaps between the road wheels are very noticeable on the A4 version...
Just need to decide which tracks to use now....
Gary
gastec
Auckland, New Zealand
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Posted: Saturday, July 11, 2015 - 02:03 PM UTC
... and these should fit the bill...
Gary
Gary
Dazzyboyz47
United Kingdom
Joined: December 10, 2013
KitMaker: 8 posts
Armorama: 8 posts
Joined: December 10, 2013
KitMaker: 8 posts
Armorama: 8 posts
Posted: Saturday, July 11, 2015 - 05:09 PM UTC
Quoted Text
... and these should fit the bill...
Gary
Rather you than me with those tracks, amazing detail on the upper hull, top stuff!
gastec
Auckland, New Zealand
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Joined: February 03, 2014
KitMaker: 1,042 posts
Armorama: 871 posts
Posted: Sunday, July 12, 2015 - 11:13 PM UTC
After an evening in front of the TV.....
Gary
Gary