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Tiger 1 Mid Production - Sd.Kfz.181 Ausf E
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 01:15 AM UTC

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I know the camo scheme of the 501 and even 504 tigers is hotly debated. Drab olive anyone?


We have photos of the Tigers being delivered new, of them loading onto ferries in Italy, of the battle in Tebourba, of Operation Eilbote when they first captured American material, of Operation Frühlingswind in the south, and of the battle at Hunt's Gap when seven of them were left behind as wrecks, and the British troops who examined them described them as "green".

Nowhere in the timeline is there a sudden change of hue. Nowhere is there a photograph suggesting that they were repainted in U.S. Olive Drab. And why should they be? They were green when they came from the factory. They looked like the Bovington Tiger.

David
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 01:15 AM UTC
Alan,

Thank you very much to take the time to comment and give your great advice. It's very much appreciated!

Cheers,
Dustin
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 01:31 AM UTC

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Alan,

Thank you very much to take the time to comment and give your great advice. It's very much appreciated!

Cheers,
Dustin


Hi Dustin

No problem, glad to help. I've nothing against airbrushing. I've an Iwata I used for years in graphic design, ancient two De Vilbiss brushes and a couple of cheap ones given away with compressors I brought.

If you think you'll enjoy the hobby then budget to get one in the future, providing you have the space to use it. The wife isn't going to like the lounge turned into a stinky spray shop

I'd think about investing in some tools first, if you haven't already. A good craft knife, cutting mat, snips for removing parts from sprues and some sanding sticks. Try different glues see which you get on with. My favourite is the Tamiya Extra Thin and the Gunze equivalent, but they can be tricky at first.

Hope you enjoy the hobby and the creative journey it takes you on.
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 01:41 AM UTC


This is a clear example of why.
This is Tiger 112. In the top photo, they have painted a repair patch with new light-coloured paint, which should be RAL 8020. This photo is supposedly from the turn of the year, before they captured American material, so they would not have Olive Drab to hand.

Now, if the Tigers get repainted with Olive Drab, that patch should go away.

The second photo shows the same tank in March 1943. This is after the reports of "green Tigers" but the light patch is still there.

David
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 01:51 AM UTC

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I marvel you think I care what you think. It is really quite absurd since it is so obvious I do not.



so that's why you keep responding.....because you don't care.

I'm not prepared to mess up Dustin's thread by responding any further to your comments. It does however make me wonder what circumstances led to you becoming such an angry and embittered individual.
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 02:07 AM UTC

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It does however make me wonder what circumstances led to you becoming such an angry and embittered individual.


Want me to pm you the answer?


No thanks, I only wondered, I don't care enough to know why, but it's good to know you see it and agree with me.
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 02:08 AM UTC
F.W. I sent you a PM.
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 02:24 AM UTC

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Alan,

Thank you very much to take the time to comment and give your great advice. It's very much appreciated!

Cheers,
Dustin


Hi Dustin

No problem, glad to help. I've nothing against airbrushing. I've an Iwata I used for years in graphic design, ancient two De Vilbiss brushes and a couple of cheap ones given away with compressors I brought.

If you think you'll enjoy the hobby then budget to get one in the future, providing you have the space to use it. The wife isn't going to like the lounge turned into a stinky spray shop

I'd think about investing in some tools first, if you haven't already. A good craft knife, cutting mat, snips for removing parts from sprues and some sanding sticks. Try different glues see which you get on with. My favourite is the Tamiya Extra Thin and the Gunze equivalent, but they can be tricky at first.

Hope you enjoy the hobby and the creative journey it takes you on.


Alan,

Yes I do need a lot of tools. I did buy some sanding type files and I had a hobby knife already. I also bought Tamiya extra fine cement. It's really nice stuff!

I think I'll be spending some of my check coming up to get the rest so I can finish this Tiger.

I literally have no paints or brushes, besides the couple of rattle cans I bought. LOL! I guess I started out too soon perhaps. Either way I've started and it seems to be going along nicely for me.
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 02:55 AM UTC
Hi

You mentioned your children, and without being alarmist do consider them when it comes to your modelling activities.

I don't know their ages but everything from picking Daddies "special" knife up to allergic reactions to the fumes from glue and paint has to be considered.

Put everything in a little toolbox out the way, partly for safety but also so the little darlings don't ruin your tools by using them on other things

As someone who had to spend a day in hospital including theatre getting a broken scalpel blade extracted from their foot I speak from experience.

You say you use Tamiya Extra Thin and mentioned the two part barrels in the Tamiya kit. I remember on You Tube years ago watching someone join two parts of a gun barrel using it to get a great result. Do a search see if you can find it.

Alan

Edit. My mistake it was a fuel tank off of a plane but same principals apply to barrel.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXTK9KdRQN4
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 03:47 AM UTC
Thank you for the link to that video. That was some good knowledge there.
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 04:13 AM UTC
Another handy trick/method is described here by Paul Budzik (who also has some great techniques on You Tube)

http://paulbudzik.com/tools-techniques/Matrix-Bands/matrix-band.html

I bought all the equipment he used there for less than $25 on EBay,and it works just great!(just don't over tighten )

Would also be great for anything cylindrical,fuel tanks etc. Probably a million uses,but I'm pleased with the barrel.Two piece barrels don't concern me anymore.

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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 04:52 AM UTC
Here is where I'm at so far. I'm about to start on the turret. Idk if there is much to look at so far, but what do y'all think?

I hope this picture posts properly.

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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 06:53 AM UTC
From what I can see a nice clean build. Tamiya kits almost assemble themselves so you picked a good kit for your first go round. When it comes time to paint the tools slip a piece of index card underneath to keep the surrounding area clean incase you slip or don't have a real steady hand. Another tip if you don't mind. Keep your expectation about your first few kits realistic. Use what you see here as inspiration, something to aspire to. Unless your extremely talented it take years to master many of the skills and techniques you may read about and see. Despite what others may opine, ultimately you will have to learn many things by trial and hopefully not to painful and expensive error. What works well for some does not necessarily work for others. You will find along the way that you will develop your own style and techniques in building, painting, and weathering your models. Certainly there are some guidelines and some generally accepted principals involved but they are by no means a cookie cutter one size fits all solution. It all boils down to what works for you and what your are comfortable with. Keep it fun and remember that if you are happy with the results then you have built a good model. A hobby is something we do to please ourselves not something we do to please others.

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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 07:35 AM UTC
Thank you sir! Although I would like a master piece, I do know that I can't expect too much of my kits for awhile.

One good thing to note, I'm very excited to be where I'm at with this Tiger. Especially with the limited tools I'm using currently.

I can't wait to try some metal barrels, PE and some nice tracks!

I really like German WW2 armor. So I think I'll continue to work with that era.

Here is where I stopped tonight. The two piece barrel turned out better than I thought it would.



Cheers,
Dustin
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 07:37 AM UTC
What's the best way to give some "battle damage" to the plastic fenders and side skirts?
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 07:49 AM UTC
Barrel looks terrific. No visible seam and no obvious flat spots. Now tell me you didn't have a real feeling of accomplishment when you were finished. Seems to me you are well on your way to mastering the basics of building. Your craftsmanship here seem top notch. Rattle cans can be tricky. Never had much luck with them myself. Some tips-shake well. Put the can in a bath of warm water for a while. That will help the paint flow much better. Work slowly and build you paint up in several thin coats rather than a single heavier coat. When done well some guys can do with a rattle can what others accomplish with an airbrush. Can't emphasize enough just practice and find what's right for you. Really looking forward to the finished project.
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 08:19 AM UTC

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Barrel looks terrific. No visible seam and no obvious flat spots. Now tell me you didn't have a real feeling of accomplishment when you were finished. Seems to me you are well on your way to mastering the basics of building. Your craftsmanship here seem top notch. Rattle cans can be tricky. Never had much luck with them myself. Some tips-shake well. Put the can in a bath of warm water for a while. That will help the paint flow much better. Work slowly and build you paint up in several thin coats rather than a single heavier coat. When done well some guys can do with a rattle can what others accomplish with an airbrush. Can't emphasize enough just practice and find what's right for you. Really looking forward to the finished project.



Thank very much sir!

Yes I felt great how it turned out! I'm excited to get on to paint and weathering.

All the advice has helped tremendously.

Cheers,
Dustin
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 09:27 AM UTC

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What's the best way to give some "battle damage" to the plastic fenders and side skirts?


I remember reading one article where someone said they bit the fender pieces,can't vouch for the method since I haven't tried it but might be fun.
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 12:06 PM UTC
You are not putting zimmerit on the tiger ?
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Posted: Monday, October 12, 2015 - 07:16 PM UTC

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You are not putting zimmerit on the tiger ?


Correct
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Posted: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 - 06:15 AM UTC
Ok, I think I'm ready for paint.

Here's what I'm thinking, please chime in on this.

1. Primer with Tamiya Fine Surface Primer via rattle can.
2. Spray Matt black via Tamiya rattle can, to add shadowing. (This is what I need most advice on)
3. Apply base coat of dark yellow via Tamiya rattle can.

Any tips for using rattle cans? I know one gent said to put the cans in warm water for a bit. Anything else?

I'll be grabbing a cheap airbrush to practice with and to add camo.

Pics as of current.



Cheers,
Dustin
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