Hello guys. Just wondering was a 151A2 used in Vietnam and if so in what capacity. I have read yes and no. I recently picked up the Academy 151A2 hardtop kit and was going to use it minus the hard top in some type of Vietnam dio. Thanks for your help.

I guess so...

http://www.g838.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=6214

H.P.

From personal experience, I only saw A1's overseas, and ran into A2's on return to the World. That was late '69.

Thanks guys. Yes I guess it was more 1972 or later. I appreciate the help. I want to use it in a semi off road setting in a dio. Thanks.

As the pics show, there were a few sent over late in the war. They were pretty much exclusively used by MPs and ARVN units. Very few, if any were used by US combat units in VN. Also, the M825 TOW vehicles, I believe only 6 (1 PLT), were tested in Vietnam for a short period in '72.

My father served in Vietnam with the Korean 9th Infantry Division (White Horse division) from 1971 to 1972. I have seen photos of him in front of A2s - all were MP Mutts though. So I am pretty sure they were there in Vietnam toward the end.

Thanks guys...actually art I have another dio that im going to be using a Walker Bulldog being used by ARVN so I can incorporate the 151a2 in that dio. Thsnks art

Just out of curiosity: I was on Active Duty (in Germany) from 1972 -1977 and then in the Reserves until I retired in 2002. (And I was an Army Brat so I've been around the Army my whole life.) I NEVER heard ANYBODY refer to the M151 as anything other than a Jeep. Does anybody out there who was in the Army back then recall them ever being called Mutts?

MUTT was an acronym like HMMV for the Hummer. I always referred to 151's as jeeps and never heard anyone refer to them as anything else.

I think the modelling community refer to them as mutts to differentiate from the regular WW2 jeeps.

Actually, as spoons says, MUTT is a made-up name not used officially by the military at all. It is and has always been called a jeep or 1/4 ton.

HMMWV on the other hand is an official designation acronym used by the US military and stands for High Mobility, Multi-purpose, Tactical Vehicle.

Hummer is the civilian equivalent to it and again, not a name used by the military or military personnel. To me, a hummer is something totally different, if you know what I mean.

Supposedly its an acronym for military utility tactical truck.

Right, that is the made up acronym you will find on the net. It is almost as bad as the BS "Gavin" name for the M113. Don't get me started on that one...

Umm . . .

KL

Whoops, that's what happens when I do three things at once. Should be High Mobility Multi-purpose Wheeled Vehicle. But you knew that....

Yeah, Mutt is another one of those made-up names not connected with the military. Not a term used in the military. For instance, servicemen never called M-36 TDs as "Jackson" during the WWII, no official designation of M1A1HA Abrams (officially M1A1HC), M7 was only called "Priest" by the British soldiers, and M24 was not referred as "Chaffe" by the US armed forces, so on and so on.

Hi Guys;

Yup;--I remember this vehicle Well. We called it the FORD MUTT..Like All Fords it was A Junker.


CHEERS; MIKE.

And the best selling vehicle in America for the last THIRTY EIGHT YEARS in a row would be.............The FORD F-Series.

(Sorry, spent 30 of those years and been retired for the last 8, working as a product development engineering supervisor for Ford Truck!)

Must be doing SOMETHING right!

I cleared out the last couple days of February 69, and never knew there was an A2. The A1 was deemed unsafe on a bad road even if nothing was going on, and the A2 would have been a welcome sight. Jeeps as we all know were not all that common unless they traveled in armored columns. Just not a good way to die (the way we all felt). The TOW armed Jeeps were probably M151A2's, but that also is long after I was gone. To be out on Highway one (or worse) in a Jeep was not a good thing in the early morning or late afternoon. Even the good old M37 left a lot to be desired, and was usually left to staying within a couple miles of home. Jeeps were normally left for close to home visits.
gary

I work for Ford NZ, I think another military utility vehicle is long over due for Ford.

Maybe t was a misguided Jarhead thing. I have never heard it called a MUTT by US Army Soldiers.

The M151, Turuck, Utility 1/4 ton 4x4 was referred to as a military utility tactical truck in common lingo in the service.... See the first sentence in this pub

The problem was that Willys Overland trademarked the word jeep after World War Two, despite the fast that they were also built by Ford, and despite the fact that jeep was a common slang term (companies can actually lose their trademark if it becomes a slang term for a class of products, which is why Caterpillar and Kleenex run ads in writers' journals reminding authors not to use those terms unless they mean a specific product). The M151 was a Ford design (though most ended up being built by other companies), and it couldn't legally be called a Jeep, so somebody at Ford or the Pentagon came up with MUTT. Nevertheless, throughout the years they were in service, troops always called them jeeps, to the chagrin of Ford and Jeep Corporation.

Ford was actually looking at a couple of projects over the last few years. One was in the light weight tactical utility vehicle range and would have been in the F-250/350 weight class, but by the time things got into the late Technology Development Phase, the Army decided it needed to have MRAPs. There was also some discussion at the very highest levels which would have been a collaboration between Ford and Raytheon to develop a combat vehicle.

As a 30 year Ford veteran, I am EXTREMELY pleased that Ford has decided to remain OUT of the Defense business. Having spent 8 years after I retired from Ford working as a contractor AT Tank Automotive Command, I can tell you that the Army's Vehicle Acquisition Process is a complete disaster and entirely incompatible with a company which is used to development cycles measured in months and not in years, and with volumes measured in the hundreds of thousands of units per year, not in the couple of thousands over about 3-5 years. I'm happy to see AM General and Oshkosh fight it out with Lockheed Martin!