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ceerosvk
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Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2016 - 12:40 PM UTC
any news on this? sorry for bump but i just cant wait for these
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2016 - 04:46 PM UTC
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any news on this? sorry for bump but i just cant wait for these
It's been only 49 days since they announced their releases for all of 2016. You could easily have another 250 days to go before they make a formal announcement of the first kit, and another 100 days after that before it's available for sale. You should probably brace yourself.
KL
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Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2016 - 10:54 PM UTC
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Quoted Textany news on this? sorry for bump but i just cant wait for these
It's been only 49 days since they announced their releases for all of 2016. You could easily have another 250 days to go before they make a formal announcement of the first kit, and another 100 days after that before it's available for sale. You should probably brace yourself.
KL
I've been wondering the same thing... And contemplating asking the same. But I guess we have the answer . Has it really been only 49 days? Feels like more than that... I really hope Trumpeter gives us some kind of update on it soon.
Spades
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Posted: Thursday, January 21, 2016 - 11:07 PM UTC
Can someone provide the link to the trumpeter catalog ??
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Friday, January 22, 2016 - 08:43 AM UTC
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Has it really been only 49 days? Feels like more than that... I really hope Trumpeter gives us some kind of update on it soon.
Look at the date of the first post in this thread: 4 December. Twenty-seven days to the end of the month; today is January 22nd.
Their habit is to *maybe* show a partially completed test shot on Facebook at some point, then the boxart will appear in one of their website updates, and then you can expect the kit around three months later. Bear in mind that they are issuing four variants, so the one you want may be way off . . .
As an indication, look at the Hobby Boss T-28 series. By searching this site it looks like they announced their first kit in mid-April 2014. The first review was early January 2015. Their fourth version was available in late November 2015.
So, asking again in mid-February probably isn't going to get you any more info.
KL
young_sven
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Posted: Friday, January 22, 2016 - 11:41 AM UTC
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I would have never thought I would see a M915 in plastic. But its better sweet. I am friends wit Gabor at Miniman factory and I have built a couple of his resin M915s, I hate to think they copied his work.
Vince, with respect, but why would they need to copy other peoples work? Is the M915 such a rare vehicle that no other references or real vehicles are available to Trumpeter so they would have to resort copying a model?
Or is this just the standard "Chinese copy everything" assumption? I think all the Chinese kit producers have proved that they are fully capable of doing their own work, and have become leaders and not followers in the plastic model industry, both in regards to quantity and originality of releases, to their plastic molding quality and utilization of cutting edge technology.
I would think it would be extremely unlikely that Trumpeter has copied the Miniman Factory kit.
Just for the record, I am not questioning the quality of the Miniman kit, which I am sure is superb.
MAD_DUCK
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Posted: Friday, January 22, 2016 - 04:23 PM UTC
I will agree its just an assumption, but not without reason. Trumpeter has a history of copying other smaller companies work in some ways. I have see many of their aircraft with parts break down too similar to other lesser mainstream kits.
But with that said if company X and company Y made a kit of subject A. If both companies did their homework, but kits should be almost alike when built.
I'll reserve final judgement till the kit comes out and I have the chance to get one. I maybe be completely wrong, but I and going by the history of the company.
But with that said if company X and company Y made a kit of subject A. If both companies did their homework, but kits should be almost alike when built.
I'll reserve final judgement till the kit comes out and I have the chance to get one. I maybe be completely wrong, but I and going by the history of the company.
Hellrabbit
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Posted: Friday, January 22, 2016 - 08:34 PM UTC
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I will agree its just an assumption, but not without reason. Trumpeter has a history of copying other smaller companies work in some ways. I have see many of their aircraft with parts break down too similar to other lesser mainstream kits.
But with that said if company X and company Y made a kit of subject A. If both companies did their homework, but kits should be almost alike when built.
I'll reserve final judgement till the kit comes out and I have the chance to get one. I maybe be completely wrong, but I and going by the history of the company.
without offense....the techinal manual of M915 is easy to find on the internet. even I found more TM of some other interesting stuff.
young_sven
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Posted: Friday, January 22, 2016 - 10:37 PM UTC
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I'll reserve final judgement till the kit comes out and I have the chance to get one. I maybe be completely wrong, but I and going by the history of the company.
I haven't followed what Trumpeter has been doing on the aircraft side of things, but in regards to armour and military vehicles I can only remember them blatantly copying the work of other companies in the very infancy of the company. That was a very long time ago. Could any of their armour/vehicle releases of recent years fall into the "copy" category?
I am surprised that these comments still come up about the Chinese manufacturers after many years of them pretty much overtaking almost everyone else in the business, unless I have totally missed something and there actually is some recent pirated work out there.
Otherwise I honestly feel that these "did they copy x's or y's work" comments are getting really old and uncalled for, at least in regards to these big-name Chinese model producers.
Now I am way off topic though, so back to it:
Looks like Meng, Takom, Trumpeter, Hobbyboss and Co are serving us up with a real treat of model releases in 2016 as well. Very happy to see this! They will get my money in 2016 as well :-)
Bigred69
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Posted: Saturday, January 23, 2016 - 04:04 AM UTC
Remember, the Nuernberg Toy Fair will be opening on the 28th of January. There will be more interesting model kits on display with maybe a time frame when they will be out.
alchemymike
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Posted: Saturday, January 23, 2016 - 04:19 AM UTC
Wow this is awesome!! now if they would just do an M-65 Atomic Cannon...
ceerosvk
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 02:14 PM UTC
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 02:44 PM UTC
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Quoted TextIt's like clockwork. Practically every post here about a new announcement and up pops someone saying: "That's cool but why isn't X, Y and Z being built by them?"
I wish I had a bottle of Vallejo paint for everytime that happens here... hahaha
You'd still have a full paint rack even if you'd change "up pops someone..." to "up pops Dennis..."
Quoted TextSigh, I knew this would happen when I pulled the trigger for the Commander's models T29! That said, I am soooo happy Trumpter is doing these instead of Dragon. I love the whole T29 series and will buy multiples.
I feel your pain, Commanders kit screams for a complete rebuild to make it somewhat accurate representation of a T29 series tank.
At least now we may get blessed with some aftermarket items to dress up Commanders turds: I am hoping especially for tracks with their unique extensions and turned barrel.
Cheers,
Greg
Ha, Ha... You KNOW I'm right, though...
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 02:47 PM UTC
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Quoted TextHas it really been only 49 days? Feels like more than that... I really hope Trumpeter gives us some kind of update on it soon.
Look at the date of the first post in this thread: 4 December. Twenty-seven days to the end of the month; today is January 22nd.
Their habit is to *maybe* show a partially completed test shot on Facebook at some point, then the boxart will appear in one of their website updates, and then you can expect the kit around three months later. Bear in mind that they are issuing four variants, so the one you want may be way off . . .
As an indication, look at the Hobby Boss T-28 series. By searching this site it looks like they announced their first kit in mid-April 2014. The first review was early January 2015. Their fourth version was available in late November 2015.
So, asking again in mid-February probably isn't going to get you any more info.
KL
THAT'S what I like most about you guys- Your infinite patience...
A model company, (any one of them), announces a model that's "in development", and you expect to have it yesterday...
JSSVIII
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 03:18 PM UTC
Looks excellent to me, I'm glad to see that they included the extended end connectors. I'm not an expert, and I know I'm opening a can of worms here, but does anyone have any opinion about the accuracy of what they can see in the photo? Besides the tracks being on backwards that is, luckily for us the fix on the kit will be easier to correct than the box art.
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 03:46 PM UTC
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Looks excellent to me, I'm glad to see that they included the extended end connectors. I'm not an expert, and I know I'm opening a can of worms here, but does anyone have any opinion about the accuracy of what they can see in the photo? Besides the tracks being on backwards that is, luckily for us the fix on the kit will be easier to correct than the box art.
AGREE! It DOES look good! However, inevitably SOMEONE on the various model-sites will do an "in-box review" or a "build-review" of a kit that everyone was "oohing and ahhing" over, only to find that said kit is full of warts, inaccuracies, and errors. Never fails, ESPECIALLY when it comes to US or British AFVs and Soft-skins... Today's "little gem" or "little jewel", is tomorrow's "dog"...
I'll read every review and build article that I can, before I will actually buy...
JSSVIII
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 03:57 PM UTC
That's generally true for me too Dennis, but as I said on another thread, I would much rather try to correct a styrene kit than resin. so let the games begin. I will probably wait myself, the E3 version is the one I would like to build, but maybe this one also...just maybe.
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 04:22 PM UTC
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That's generally true for me too Dennis, but as I said on another thread, I would much rather try to correct a styrene kit than resin. so let the games begin. I will probably wait myself, the E3 version is the one I would like to build, but maybe this one also...just maybe.
Hey, John!
Don't get me wrong- I'm not complaining about the kits themselves, I'm just voicing my opinions about the "fickleness" of modellers, in general...
A "classic example": BLACK PLAGUE's M103A1 kit-
When it first came out, it was, "OOOOOH M103, AAHHHH M103"; a week or so later, someone (sorry, I forget who), ACTUALLY submitted a "build-article" of said "OOH & AHH" M103, only to find that A LOT of work and "Plastic Surgery" were required to even make the darned thing PRESENTABLE! All of a sudden, the "OOH & AHH" M103 was on "everyone who is interested US Armor" 's "Dog List"...
That's why I urge caution before having orgasms over kits that we virtually don't know anything about, until someone actually has the courage to buy one of them, crack the box open, and start building the darned thing. The proof is in the pudding- Simple as that...
Me personally, I don't have any problems in correcting "full-resin" or "multi-media" kits- But! Said "full-resin" or "multi-media" kits have been becoming so expensive that many modellers have been shying away from them of late, myself included...
JSSVIII
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 04:47 PM UTC
Sorry everyone, I meant no offence by: "let the games begin" I just meant that, personally, I like to hear peoples opinions about the kits, and their details, both positive and negative, even at an early stage like this with only one photo available. I agree with you 100% Dennis, you can include me in the "shying away" group also.
ceerosvk
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 06:20 PM UTC
Still, this is Trumpeter/Hobby Boss, not DML. They have been doing great job with prototype kits lately, i absolutely loved their IS4/IS7 kits. Buuut yeah, i am almost certain that there will be people who will find plenty of things thats wrong with the kit, as always.
this should be a pretty large kit btw, this beast was even bigger than a king tiger
this should be a pretty large kit btw, this beast was even bigger than a king tiger
Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 09:19 PM UTC
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this should be a pretty large kit btw, this beast was even bigger than a king tiger
Having stood next to one at Knox years ago, I can attest to them being humongous.
The T34 variant being especially b@dass-looking.
I can see me converting a T29 into a T34...
And when Hobbyboss comes out with that variant, you can all thank me.
Paul
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 10:11 PM UTC
I think I might just get the T29E1. It'll kill my wallet though because I really want the E3 and T30 (if they make it).
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 10:21 PM UTC
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The T34 variant being especially b@dass-looking.
I can see me converting a T29 into a T34...
And when Hobbyboss comes out with that variant, you can all thank me.
Paul
Hi Paul,
the T34 variant is already planned and was announced in the 2016 MERIT catalogue as item #63513 (as was the T29E1 now coming from Hobby Boss, that was #63510). So it's just a question of time... (and it will probably also be made by Hobby Boss instead of Merit?).
Cheers
Thomas
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Posted: Monday, October 03, 2016 - 11:50 PM UTC
At first glance it looks decent enough, but there are a few things that jump out at me. I've spent probably about 12+ hours climbing over, measuring, and photographing the T29 family when they were at Knox so I expect to be nitpicky when I review the bloody thing.
From the photographed angle, the trunion bulges (?) on the side of the mantlet look too high and and don't protrude enough and I don't see the 5 large hex bolts on the side. I'm sure there will be more. Trumpeter seems to get the prototype kits about 85-90% right. I will cheerfully build it nonetheless!
Matt
From the photographed angle, the trunion bulges (?) on the side of the mantlet look too high and and don't protrude enough and I don't see the 5 large hex bolts on the side. I'm sure there will be more. Trumpeter seems to get the prototype kits about 85-90% right. I will cheerfully build it nonetheless!
Matt
JSSVIII
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Posted: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 - 03:56 AM UTC
Hi Matt, I see what you mean about the bulges I would be willing to work with that though, and maybe (hopefully) the missing bolts and bulge height issues are just due to un- flattering camera angle and lighting, tough to tell in that photo, nice call though. Again it's tough to tell from that angle but there might be an issue with the turret undercut just above the turret ring, that would seem to be another relatively easy fix though. Do you see anything else?