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Posted: Monday, December 14, 2015 - 09:36 PM UTC


Dragon Models has announced that they will be releasing an M60 Patton in 1/35th scale as a smart kit.

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Posted: Monday, December 14, 2015 - 09:42 PM UTC
Not being extremely well-versed in things M60, the CAD images look good, things like the front headlight brush guards and such.
I wonder if it's for real?
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Posted: Monday, December 14, 2015 - 09:54 PM UTC
We all know CAD drawings mean nothing until we see actual plastic, but at first glance it looks promising. The only big omission is the canvas cover on the Tank Commander's cupola - let's hope Dragon sorts one out in DS plastic before this hits the shelves. Can't see if there are any of the prominent casting marks on turret and hull such as decorate the real thing, so fingers crossed!

But I'll hold off on any pre-orders until a) the kit actually hits shelves, and b) it gets reviewed by those in the know. Meanwhile I will eventually finish the conversion I started ages ago...
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 02:55 AM UTC
It will be interesting to see if they got it right. I spent a few years with the M60 being my office, and still have access to my manuals.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 03:11 AM UTC
No bones about it , for me another disapointment from Dragon, any way you look at it!!
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 03:12 AM UTC

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It will be interesting to see if they got it right. I spent a few years with the M60 being my office, and still have access to my manuals.


To DRAGON: THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, for NOT giving your M60 Project to your addled stepchildren at BLACK PLAGUE!!! I WILL buy at least one of these, being a confirmed US-equipment fan...
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 03:15 AM UTC

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Dragon Models has announced that they will be releasing an M60 Patton in 1/35th scale as a smart kit.

Read the Full News Story

If you have comments or questions please post them here.

Thanks!


THANKS, Darren! Do you have a tentative release-date on this kit, yet? Many of us have been wanting this "bridge-vehicle" between the M48 and the M60A1 thru M60A3-series tanks for quite a while...
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 03:19 AM UTC

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No bones about it , for me another disapointment from Dragon, any way you look at it!!


It may be a disappointment for you Phil, but I'll bet there are a lot of us that are glad to finally get the M60. It remains to be seen if AFV CLUB will take up the challenge to field an M60 of their own...
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 03:26 AM UTC

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We all know CAD drawings mean nothing until we see actual plastic, but at first glance it looks promising. The only big omission is the canvas cover on the Tank Commander's cupola - let's hope Dragon sorts one out in DS plastic before this hits the shelves. Can't see if there are any of the prominent casting marks on turret and hull such as decorate the real thing, so fingers crossed!

But I'll hold off on any pre-orders until a) the kit actually hits shelves, and b) it gets reviewed by those in the know. Meanwhile I will eventually finish the conversion I started ages ago...


I've got the LEGEND M60 Conversion kit, too. It's designed to fit either a TAMIYA or an ACADEMY M60A1. DRAGON made a few mistakes with their M48A3 Mod.B, but they did better with their subsequent M48A3 kit. I've pretty much given up on BLACK PLAGUE, but I am willing to give DRAGON's M60 the benefit of the doubt. If the new M60 kit has flaws, I'll correct them accordingly.

Conversely, AFV CLUB is a little slow in getting new kits on the market- We haven't seen hide nor hair of their "coming soon" M60A2, and they out-and-out screwed us when they announced their M8 HMC and then never released it... It took AFV CLUB FIVE YEARS before their M5A1 (early) finally hit the shelves, and another couple of years before we finally saw their M5A1 (late)...

Expecting an M60 from AFV CLUB anytime soon is like trying to write a message on a puddle with a fork... However, in all fairness, their M60A1 shines, except for the exaggerated "cast" surfaces on the Turret and Hull... Not a big problem, but it DOES make for extra work, "no matter how you look at it"...
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 03:40 AM UTC

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We all know CAD drawings mean nothing until we see actual plastic, but at first glance it looks promising. The only big omission is the canvas cover on the Tank Commander's cupola - let's hope Dragon sorts one out in DS plastic before this hits the shelves. Can't see if there are any of the prominent casting marks on turret and hull such as decorate the real thing, so fingers crossed!

But I'll hold off on any pre-orders until a) the kit actually hits shelves, and b) it gets reviewed by those in the know. Meanwhile I will eventually finish the conversion I started ages ago...


Did you notice that the box art clearly shows the MG Tarp on the Commander's Cupola? I agree with you, though- Hopefully DRAGON will supply us with the Tarp in the actual contents of the kit.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 04:11 AM UTC
Why are they showing new stuff when they can't even get they stuff they announced out when they say. I preorders their Patriot with a release Aug 2015. And here it is Dec and now they are saying maybe Jan. Poor customer relations. Should not announce anything until sure of when its release is.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 05:23 AM UTC

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. . .AFV CLUB . . . out-and-out screwed us when they announced their M8 HMC and then never released it.


How exactly were we so emphatically "screwed"? Is there a single modeler that suffered any injury, loss, or cost by their decision? Isn't it really just a case of being mildly disappointed?

This is one reason why you can't trust reviews or opinions. People simply can't use words that are accurate or proportionate to the reality they experienced. Everything has to be framed as the best or worst 0.001% of anything ever experienced, I suppose because the authors don't think that they will get enough attention otherwise.

KL
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 05:35 AM UTC

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Why are they showing new stuff when they can't even get they stuff they announced out when they say. I preorders their Patriot with a release Aug 2015. And here it is Dec and now they are saying maybe Jan. Poor customer relations. Should not announce anything until sure of when its release is.


Yes, what unspeakable criminality. Dragon should be savaged and destroyed for the heinous injury they have deliberately inflicted upon you. After all, you had to click three, four, or even FIVE boxes on a hobby shop website - it's unbearable! Have they no shame or decency?!?

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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 09:53 AM UTC
during the 1973 arab israel war,hundred of M-60 were shipped directly to Israel,with the exception of spray in standard color ,did IDF make some other modification.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 12:35 PM UTC
Interestingly I had exactly that sentiment when I read the post. I even thought "I bet Kurt will comment on that"....

Maybe such terminology would be better suited to cases where a manufacturer releases and charges money for a kit which literally cannot be built from the parts provided but changing its plans for future releases hardly seems to qualify as you have paid nothing and lost nothing apart from the time it took you to read the announcement. Perhaps we are losing a sense of proportion here?
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 02:01 PM UTC

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. . .AFV CLUB . . . out-and-out screwed us when they announced their M8 HMC and then never released it.


How exactly were we so emphatically "screwed"? Is there a single modeler that suffered any injury, loss, or cost by their decision? Isn't it really just a case of being mildly disappointed?

This is one reason why you can't trust reviews or opinions. People simply can't use words that are accurate or proportionate to the reality they experienced. Everything has to be framed as the best or worst 0.001% of anything ever experienced, I suppose because the authors don't think that they will get enough attention otherwise.

KL


Here we go AGAIN! What is it with you lately"? Unlike you, some of us aren't "attention seekers". It's YOU that's taking personal opinions and turning them into your personal ersatz sacrilege, thereby getting the attention that you crave. You seem to be pretty intolerant of anyone else' opinions but your own. How did you come up with that 0.001% figure? No doubt you've done exhaustive and exacting research to achieve that figure...

Let's keep the sniping down a little, huh?


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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 04:35 PM UTC

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. . .AFV CLUB . . . out-and-out screwed us when they announced their M8 HMC and then never released it.


How exactly were we so emphatically "screwed"? Is there a single modeler that suffered any injury, loss, or cost by their decision? Isn't it really just a case of being mildly disappointed?

This is one reason why you can't trust reviews or opinions. People simply can't use words that are accurate or proportionate to the reality they experienced. Everything has to be framed as the best or worst 0.001% of anything ever experienced, I suppose because the authors don't think that they will get enough attention otherwise.

KL


Here we go AGAIN! What is it with you lately"? Unlike you, some of us aren't "attention seekers". It's YOU that's taking personal opinions and turning them into your personal ersatz sacrilege, thereby getting the attention that you crave. You seem to be pretty intolerant of anyone else' opinions but your own. How did you come up with that 0.001% figure? No doubt you've done exhaustive and exacting research to achieve that figure...

Let's keep the sniping down a little, huh?



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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 07:31 PM UTC
Yup, right about 6 hours for this thread too to devolve into a complaint about why did they bring this model out, they screwed me by not coming out with that model, XYZ model company sucks, etc., etc., etc.....

Just about every time a new kit is announced it becomes a whine fest. Without fail. Get over it.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 07:44 PM UTC

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Yup, right about 6 hours for this thread too to devolve into a complaint about why did they bring this model out, they screwed me by not coming out with that model, XYZ model company sucks, etc., etc., etc.....

Just about every time a new kit is announced it becomes a whine fest. Without fail. Get over it.


Almost like the model world's version of instant gratification?
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 09:30 PM UTC

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. . .AFV CLUB . . . out-and-out screwed us when they announced their M8 HMC and then never released it.


How exactly were we so emphatically "screwed"? Is there a single modeler that suffered any injury, loss, or cost by their decision? Isn't it really just a case of being mildly disappointed?

This is one reason why you can't trust reviews or opinions. People simply can't use words that are accurate or proportionate to the reality they experienced. Everything has to be framed as the best or worst 0.001% of anything ever experienced, I suppose because the authors don't think that they will get enough attention otherwise.

KL


Here we go AGAIN! What is it with you lately"? Unlike you, some of us aren't "attention seekers". It's YOU that's taking personal opinions and turning them into your personal ersatz sacrilege, thereby getting the attention that you crave. You seem to be pretty intolerant of anyone else' opinions but your own. How did you come up with that 0.001% figure? No doubt you've done exhaustive and exacting research to achieve that figure...

Let's keep the sniping down a little, huh?



Dennis You are right. A couple folks seem to always have something negative to say when others give an opinion and they don't like it. Sounds like a short man(D_ _ _) problem. They can't get over their problems so they have to disagree with everyone. Mad little man or boy.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 10:13 PM UTC
While Kurt's writing style may have been a bit abrupt, I've gotta say I agree with his basic premise. The manufacturers don't "owe" us anything, since they are not our employees to control. Like every other business on the planet they make stuff and hope we are willing to buy it. If we don't like the product, we can hold back our cash. And just because they announce a new project they are working on, does not mean they are under any obligation to deliver. So at best we can only legitimately moan when they deliver a turd of a product that soaks up enough market-share to prevent better firms from releasing a good kit of the same subject. Bear in mind the tooling for a new kit can cost north of $200k, so progressing from CAD to plastic is a big financial risk.

Would I like the manufacturers to deliver all the kits they announce? Sure! Do I feel betrayed if they don't? Of course not! That's life in the big city...

Now if we can only refrain from getting too personal with our comments, things will be sooooo much better here! Less "negative waves" and more "righteous thoughts" makes the ride more pleasant for everybody, as Oddball would no doubt remind us.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 10:55 PM UTC

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Here we go AGAIN! What is it with you lately?


What do you mean, "lately"?


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You seem to be pretty intolerant of anyone else' opinions but your own.


I'm quite tolerant of others' opinions. I am intolerant of those who cannot express their opinions sensibly because it affects the whole process of giving and seeking opinions, reviews, impressions, and whatnot regarding models.

Do a little experiment Dennis: Think of the best kit you ever bought and built. Now think back, weren't there some things that were not perfect, or not accurate? Of course, every kit has them. But they were small and compared to everything else in the kit they didn't diminish the good experience.

Now suppose that someone posted about that kit and listed the very imperfections you recognized and said "Look at all these problems! How can a company make mistakes like these? This kit is junk, garbage, and filth and anyone who buys it is an idiot!" Would you say to yourself, "Oh well, he's just expressing his opinion, and his opinion is as valid as mine, so it wouldn't be right to challenge him."

That's what happened here. "Out-and-out screwed" has a meaning as a phrase. To the gang reading this site I'm sure they are thinking of a deliberate, malicious act by someone to take your money or deprive you of something. Is that really what AFV Club did? More importantly, if I read your original post, I have to wonder, if he goes that far off the wall about literally nothing, how can I put any value in the other stuff he writes? It doesn't seem he can tell black from white from gray, or at least, express the fact that he can tell.

KL
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 11:03 PM UTC

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+100000000


A perfect example of the ridiculous exaggeration I mentioned.

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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 11:09 PM UTC

I have a feeling that Academy will release a M60 as well, their new Magach 7 kit has the correct turret I think.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 - 11:46 PM UTC
They could, but they'd have to re-tool it to remove all the mounts for add-on armour and stuff. (Pity these weren't done as separate parts!) But then you're still stuck with Academy's old and poorly detailed M60 hull, which is a Tamiya clone. That's my biggest gripe with their M60A2 Starship kit. Still, some TLC can spruce it up.
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