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s.ss.abt.102 tiger final production
james-dean
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2016 - 08:21 PM UTC
my humble model.
and my first uploading model in armorama


many thanks to armorama members who answered my
question while i am making this model.


this is model of S.ss.pz.abt. 102 tiger
in normandy.
it is final produciton version of tiger I

kit
->dragon 6383+ afvclub tiger tracks
+ minor homemade detail upgrades.
(1.track pin auxiliary tracks on turret
2.turret track holder grip
3.clamps on ovm)

type
-> i choosed parts as june 1944 production.
this is the last production model.

painting
-> i referenced many abt.102 tiger photos
and just tried to copy "similar abt.102 camo pattern style"

dunkelgelb- humbrol 72+63(4:1)
(many thanks to RobinNilsson for inform me this
formula )
olivegrun->tamiya olive green + blue+ black
rotbrown-> tamiya brown+red+black

marking/etc
->tiger 134 is "unknown" there is no any evidence

weathering
-> since i hate weathering, i just made
very new condition model.












Armorsmith
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2016 - 08:28 PM UTC
Nice job. Like the cammo. I rather enjoy seeing a build that is clean every now and then and this is one of them. Shows off the lines of the Tiger very nicely.
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james-dean
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2016 - 08:31 PM UTC

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Nice job. Are you going to weather it? I rather enjoy seeing a build that is clean every now and then and this is one of them. Show off the lines of the Tiger very nicely.



i never weather models since i also enjoy very clean model

and, i think 0.15mm airbrush is very well works
for painting camo.

thanks to comments.
AFVFan
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2016 - 08:35 PM UTC
Nicely done James. When you do decide to try you hand at weathering it looks like you're going to be starting with a good base on whatever model it is.

The only suggestion I can offer for this vehicle is that the two machine gun barrels would not have been painted and should be presented as a gun metal color.
james-dean
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2016 - 08:44 PM UTC

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Nicely done James. When you do decide to try you hand at weathering it looks like you're going to be starting with a good base on whatever model it is.

The only suggestion I can offer for this vehicle is that the two machine gun barrels would not have been painted and should be presented as a gun metal color.



many thanks to coments:)

actually, all ovms and machine guns also painted
before paint camo patterns.
i overpainted camo patterns on that
after every "painted"ovms are putted on the tank.

you can also look the wire that some parts are painted with
camo patterns and some parts are shining metal color.

the reason i did so is
german 3 ton camo was applied by troops
after tanks are shipped.
so, i guess many soldiers would apply camo
without put off ovms and machineguns (except Periscope)

just painted camo on it.

so ovms and machineguns would also camo painted just
IMHO.
i could find some photo evidences too.

as a result, i intended it
RLlockie
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2016 - 09:07 PM UTC
Nice to see an example from a different unit and the 102 scheme was very distinctive. You've done a good job on it and I like to see tools that don't stand out like a sore thumb and thus compromise it.

Actually they were painted by the unit's Werkstatt detachment, who would certainly be able to paint around any MGs that were left in place, assuming that they were not removed first anyway.

Painting patterns on roadwheels is generally regarded as poor camouflage practice as it makes the wheels more visible when rotating but there are examples that show it did happen.

Should there be any cam in the inside face of the RHS final drive? It stands out a bit but it may be intentional.
AFVFan
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2016 - 09:25 PM UTC
Actually, most late war tanks were painted at the factory in their 3 tone camo schemes. Paint was also supplied to the units in the field so they could repaint their older vehicles to get them up to whatever field order applied at the time.

There may be a few cases out there (because in war, you never say never) where the MG barrels were painted, but in general, that wasn't the case. Painting them interfered with heat dissipation cutting down the life of the barrel.

Just thought I'd mention it, but it's your model, do it how you like.
Thirian24
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Posted: Saturday, February 20, 2016 - 09:50 PM UTC
Very very nicely done. I really enjoy the camo pattern and I like the colors as well.

Cheers,
Dustin
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Posted: Sunday, February 21, 2016 - 05:10 AM UTC

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Actually, most late war tanks were painted at the factory in their 3 tone camo schemes. Paint was also supplied to the units in the field so they could repaint their older vehicles to get them up to whatever field order applied at the time.

Just thought I'd mention it, but it's your model, do it how you like.


The practice of painting tanks at the factory began in August, 1944, and this model represents a tank delivered in June, according to the builder. Actually, Tiger I production ended in August, so it may well be that none were painted at the factory.
That said, the cammo here is very dense, and the field applications were often just misted on to save paint. The red brown is also quite dark, and most examples show the brown to be tonally lighter than the green, though again, this could vary depending on the method of application.
james-dean
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Posted: Sunday, February 21, 2016 - 02:22 PM UTC

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Actually they were painted by the unit's Werkstatt detachment, who would certainly be able to paint around any MGs that were left in place, assuming that they were not removed first anyway.

Painting patterns on roadwheels is generally regarded as poor camouflage practice as it makes the wheels more visible when rotating but there are examples that show it did happen.




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There may be a few cases out there (because in war, you never say never) where the MG barrels were painted, but in general, that wasn't the case. Painting them interfered with heat dissipation cutting down the life of the barrel



thank you for good information.
i didnt know that.
next time, i will remember this.
and, i think i should modify my models.


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Very very nicely done. I really enjoy the camo pattern and I like the colors as well.

Cheers,
Dustin


thank you for your kind comment.


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The practice of painting tanks at the factory began in August, 1944, and this model represents a tank delivered in June, according to the builder. Actually, Tiger I production ended in August, so it may well be that none were painted at the factory.
That said, the cammo here is very dense, and the field applications were often just misted on to save paint. The red brown is also quite dark, and most examples show the brown to be tonally lighter than the green, though again, this could vary depending on the method of application.



yes, as i konw, factory applied camo is from aug.44~sep.44

and, about camo density, yes i also think so.
i could check it from
real war time abt.102 pictures. their camo seems to
very dark.




Modelrob
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Posted: Sunday, February 21, 2016 - 03:36 PM UTC
Very nice clean build and the camo looks nice.
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