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Which is the best M113 kit?
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2016 - 04:36 AM UTC

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While we're talking M113s, does anyone know a good place to source Diehl drive sprokets? Other than the YPR kit. Are there resin ones?



HKCW or AFV Club indy links come with Diehl Schprockets.

I suspect the first new tool M-113 we see will be a Canadian TLAV.
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2016 - 10:41 PM UTC

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Another vote for the Academy! As for extras, maybe tracks. The rubber ones are never great, and the indy link ones in that kit often seem to have sink mark issues on the track pads. And photoetche if that's your thing really improves the tie downs and headlight guards.


Thank Simon. I've just built the interior so far. Please let me know your opions.


Thanks again.


Interior walls of the early M113 were white, but from M113A1 on, they were Seafoam Green, a pale green color often used inside school buses and on hospital interior walls, due to its soothing effect. The British naval aircraft color "Sky Type S" is similar, and is available from several model paint companies, including Tamiya and Humbrol.
The floor should be bare aluminum. In service during the Vietnam War, the bench seats were usually removed, and the entire floor area covered in sandbags, with ammunition boxes stowed on top of that.



There was a repair depot that took badly damaged M113's in for a rebuild. I think everything came back sea foam green for the interior. Yet I'd road on ACAVS that were both colors in the same unit. Strange I know. Sort of figure they were part of the early run, and used up the left over paint.

Also you might take note that some tracks went so far as to remove the long seats on the side walls. Some were also folded up (I think). The interior floor was usually wall to wall ammo cans (sometimes two layers deep). Most ACAV's used the big ammo box for the fifty cal. A good many also kept a large can of oil near the fifty cal gun. They'd cool the barrel with the transmission oil in the can. If you decide to hang smoke grenades, don't do like others and make them all the same color. At least do red, green, and yellow. (we used a lot of yellow and purple). Also remember that there'll be zero rust on the hull. It's made of aluminum, and will often show deep silver scratches.
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2016 - 10:52 PM UTC

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M113 crews usually keep a roll of chain link fence for protection against RPGs when in defensive postion. See the Tamiya M113 ACAV box art for reference.You can easily use fine plastic mesh to replicate. Also commonly seen on US tanks are transistor radios which is in academy's AFV tank accesories set 2



most people that do the roll of wire forget about the engineer stakes or even bamboo stakes to hold the wire upright. NO mudguards out in the bush! Trim vanes caught a lot of abuse, and many were ripped off breaking jungle. That's why you often see them with a piece of plywood to replace it. It's common to see an M16 near the TC's position, but don't forget the M79. They used it to tell the machine gunners where to shoot when the barrels got really hot. Also put a water cooler on the track.

gary
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Posted: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 - 12:14 AM UTC

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I have a question re the M113 - where the tow rope is stowed on the rear ramp, the Tamiya M113 has the 'channels' they're wrapped around in a Top & bottom configuration.
Whereas most of the M113's NZ had in service, the channels are left & right? Is this an example of M113 Petrol engine vs M113A1 Diesel engine differences, or something else?



I guess you're right about early M113 vs M113A1 regarding the cable brackets :

M113 :



M113A1 :



H.P.

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Posted: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 - 03:22 AM UTC
Hi Frenchy
Thanks for that - I suppose it was part of the general changes.

I had another question re the M113, but re the T50 equipped versions - the Commanders hatch on the T50 turret, how was the hatch stopped from falling fully back. I've seen photos of it open vertically, then slanted rearwards, with the hatch used as a raised seat - during swimming - but most photos I've seen don't show the underside of the hinge.

Mal
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Posted: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 - 06:34 AM UTC
Hi,
just finished these 2 M113s. Please let me know what I should and shouldn't build the next ones.





Please leave your ideas. Appreciate that.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 - 11:44 AM UTC

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Hi Frenchy
Thanks for that - I suppose it was part of the general changes.

I had another question re the M113, but re the T50 equipped versions - the Commanders hatch on the T50 turret, how was the hatch stopped from falling fully back. I've seen photos of it open vertically, then slanted rearwards, with the hatch used as a raised seat - during swimming - but most photos I've seen don't show the underside of the hinge.

Mal



Mal, the hinge had a ratchet like series of notches at various positions engaged and disengaged by pulling a spring loaded latch which from memory is inside the roof of the turret.

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Posted: Thursday, April 07, 2016 - 03:30 AM UTC
Hi Al
I'd noticed the notches on the hinge, but wasn't sure how they were engaged. Great pic, just what I needed.

Trying to get a 1/18th scale Turret made for an Ultimate Soldier 1/18th M113A2 that I'm backdating to a M113A1 - http://hobbyhavoc.com/forum/index.php?topic=4046.0 - unfortunately you have to be a member to view the pics.

Mal
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Posted: Thursday, April 07, 2016 - 03:47 AM UTC
When will Tamiya (or anyone else?) produce a M106A4 Mortor carrier that served in Iraq. 120mm tube too!
My son was on those in Iraq and I want to do one for him.
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Posted: Thursday, April 07, 2016 - 05:05 AM UTC

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When will Tamiya (or anyone else?) produce a M106A4 Mortor carrier that served in Iraq. 120mm tube too!
My son was on those in Iraq and I want to do one for him.



MR ModellBau out of Germany does an M1064A3 conversion set for the Tamiya M106A1. It is pretty nice and not too hard to do. I have built two of them.
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Posted: Thursday, July 07, 2016 - 03:07 AM UTC
I have just started to build the Academy M113A1 (wrong) 106mm version iluustrated above. Now I have come across some issues. Whilst the box art says M113A1 it is actually an A2 model - identified by the armoured radiator cap between the engine grills and the two (not one) front shock absorber on the first two roadwheels.
Both problems are either a replace or cut off job so easily corrected

FYI

Out
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Posted: Thursday, July 07, 2016 - 05:02 AM UTC

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Good morning, everyone.
I'm going to buy a M113 kit but I don't know which kit is better. There are Tamiya, Academy and Italeri so I do have many choices that make me confused. Please let me know your reviews about these kits. Appreciate that.
Many thanks
BAO



Isn't AFV CLUB supposed to be coming out with an "all-new" M113 ACAV "soon"..? (see ARMORAMA Forum, 5-12-16, "AFV CLUB M113 ACAV, Is It New?")

As for myself, I'm holding off starting any new M113 projects until AFV CLUB releases their version, and AFTER I read the reviews for said AFV CLUB M113 ACAV, AND the MENG and TAKOM releases...
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Posted: Thursday, July 07, 2016 - 09:50 AM UTC
I like to use a thin layer of cardboard for the seat cushions. Paint them and then add some tears with an xacto.








Don't forget to add some camo net poles!





Hate the tracks though.... (Kit provided Academy)

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Posted: Thursday, July 07, 2016 - 06:29 PM UTC

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Wonder how long before Meng or Takom bring out a new M113...


Well, since I just purchased two of the Academy kits and the PE to go with them, along with AM tracks, I'd guess probably next week.



I HEAR THAT, Bill!!! ALWAYS happens with me, too!!!

BTW, how'd you do with that BRONCO Pz.III Ausf.A?
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Posted: Friday, July 08, 2016 - 12:58 AM UTC

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Hi,
just finished these 2 M113s. Please let me know what I should and shouldn't build the next ones.





Please leave your ideas. Appreciate that.



NICE WORK!Keep it up!!!
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