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Which is the best M113 kit?
Bravo83423
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Posted: Saturday, February 27, 2016 - 07:43 AM UTC
Good morning, everyone.
I'm going to buy a M113 kit but I don't know which kit is better. There are Tamiya, Academy and Italeri so I do have many choices that make me confused. Please let me know your reviews about these kits. Appreciate that.
Many thanks
BAO
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Posted: Saturday, February 27, 2016 - 07:49 AM UTC
My favourites are the Academy kits.
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Posted: Saturday, February 27, 2016 - 08:56 AM UTC
The Academy kit is the best but still not as good as it could be (Hint, Hint Academy). They originally released an A2 Track as would have been found in a US Armoured Infantry unit in the 80;s with the Dragon co mount on the Commanders postion. It also offered a pretty good interior although there are dimensional issues with the fuel cell and a few missing bits like the ramp pully etc. External Fuel cells are provided. The Engine is the correct GM Diesel for an A1/2 and pretty complete. They offered a number of versions including my favourite the Vietnam M113A1 release which offers the options of a Slick, ACAV, Australian w/T50 Turret, Zippo and a 106mm M40 RCL mounted. It also comes with a few figures and a Vietnamese Civlian. Note thaat interiors are not provided for any verrsions other than the SLick and ACAV. This kit has been updated with some external parts for a GW era or OIF period vehicle but it is not completely correct. Isreali, AD and Fitters variants weree also released.
Tamiya was the first to offer a mainstream M113 in the 70's and it came with an interior and a crew plus three infantry (Vietnam period). This was greaat for its day but is an original Petrol engined M113 not an A1 as claimed. It is not as good as the Academy one and the crew are a bit clunkly. Tamiya follwed this up with an M106 Mortar car, M577 ACV and an Australian M113A1 FSV with Saladin Turret. These were ok in their day but do show their age and lacking in details we are currently used to. THe next release was an ACAV with a reaally useful crew set and in action dismounts. My personal favourite of the Tamiya ones. Theree last release waas an OIF/ GW variaant with externaal stowaage aand some features to suit though it is still essentially the saame base M113 not an A2 or A3 as clamed (Just like Academy's but more dated).
AFV Club offered three M113 family vehicles which were the Chapparral ADV (Own tool), M548 TLC (Own tool) and the M113 FSV (Actually an MRV) with Scorpion turret. This last one is a cooperative with Academy and reasonaly good with fictitious markings and lacking a few parts.

Depending on what period you wish to depict some offer moree than others but the Academy should be the first choice kit for any diesel powere Bucket.
Cheers
Al
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Posted: Saturday, February 27, 2016 - 01:00 PM UTC

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Good morning, everyone.
I'm going to buy a M113 kit but I don't know which kit is better. There are Tamiya, Academy and Italeri so I do have many choices that make me confused. Please let me know your reviews about these kits. Appreciate that.
Many thanks
BAO


The Italeri kit (also released sometimes by Revell-Germany) has unusual wheels with a smaller stamped ring and larger retaining fasteners around the rim. These do turn up very occasionally on US vehicles, but may be wheels produced in Italy by OTO-Melara, who build the M113 for Italy and other NATO nations. I wouldn't recommend that kit for a standard FMC-built US M113. Academy's kit is the best of the current kits for a standard US M113A1.
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Posted: Saturday, February 27, 2016 - 09:17 PM UTC

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My favourites are the Academy kits.


How do you like it?


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The Academy kit is the best but still not as good as it could be (Hint, Hint Academy). They originally released an A2 Track as would have been found in a US Armoured Infantry unit in the 80;s with the Dragon co mount on the Commanders postion. It also offered a pretty good interior although there are dimensional issues with the fuel cell and a few missing bits like the ramp pully etc. External Fuel cells are provided. The Engine is the correct GM Diesel for an A1/2 and pretty complete. They offered a number of versions including my favourite the Vietnam M113A1 release which offers the options of a Slick, ACAV, Australian w/T50 Turret, Zippo and a 106mm M40 RCL mounted. It also comes with a few figures and a Vietnamese Civlian. Note thaat interiors are not provided for any verrsions other than the SLick and ACAV. This kit has been updated with some external parts for a GW era or OIF period vehicle but it is not completely correct. Isreali, AD and Fitters variants weree also released.
Tamiya was the first to offer a mainstream M113 in the 70's and it came with an interior and a crew plus three infantry (Vietnam period). This was greaat for its day but is an original Petrol engined M113 not an A1 as claimed. It is not as good as the Academy one and the crew are a bit clunkly. Tamiya follwed this up with an M106 Mortar car, M577 ACV and an Australian M113A1 FSV with Saladin Turret. These were ok in their day but do show their age and lacking in details we are currently used to. THe next release was an ACAV with a reaally useful crew set and in action dismounts. My personal favourite of the Tamiya ones. Theree last release waas an OIF/ GW variaant with externaal stowaage aand some features to suit though it is still essentially the saame base M113 not an A2 or A3 as clamed (Just like Academy's but more dated).
AFV Club offered three M113 family vehicles which were the Chapparral ADV (Own tool), M548 TLC (Own tool) and the M113 FSV (Actually an MRV) with Scorpion turret. This last one is a cooperative with Academy and reasonaly good with fictitious markings and lacking a few parts.

Depending on what period you wish to depict some offer moree than others but the Academy should be the first choice kit for any diesel powere Bucket.
Cheers
Al


Thanks for the tips, Al. I'm thinking about Academy these last few days


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The Italeri kit (also released sometimes by Revell-Germany) has unusual wheels with a smaller stamped ring and larger retaining fasteners around the rim. These do turn up very occasionally on US vehicles, but may be wheels produced in Italy by OTO-Melara, who build the M113 for Italy and other NATO nations. I wouldn't recommend that kit for a standard FMC-built US M113. Academy's kit is the best of the current kits for a standard US M113A1.


Thanks Gerald. I've just bought a Academy M113 this evening. I'm going to build it soon.

Do I have to buy any aftermarket things?
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Posted: Saturday, February 27, 2016 - 09:19 PM UTC
Another vote for the Academy! As for extras, maybe tracks. The rubber ones are never great, and the indy link ones in that kit often seem to have sink mark issues on the track pads. And photoetche if that's your thing really improves the tie downs and headlight guards.
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Posted: Sunday, February 28, 2016 - 09:47 AM UTC

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Another vote for the Academy! As for extras, maybe tracks. The rubber ones are never great, and the indy link ones in that kit often seem to have sink mark issues on the track pads. And photoetche if that's your thing really improves the tie downs and headlight guards.


Thank Simon. I've just built the interior so far. Please let me know your opions.


Thanks again.
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Posted: Sunday, February 28, 2016 - 01:51 PM UTC

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Another vote for the Academy! As for extras, maybe tracks. The rubber ones are never great, and the indy link ones in that kit often seem to have sink mark issues on the track pads. And photoetche if that's your thing really improves the tie downs and headlight guards.


Thank Simon. I've just built the interior so far. Please let me know your opions.


Thanks again.


Interior walls of the early M113 were white, but from M113A1 on, they were Seafoam Green, a pale green color often used inside school buses and on hospital interior walls, due to its soothing effect. The British naval aircraft color "Sky Type S" is similar, and is available from several model paint companies, including Tamiya and Humbrol.
The floor should be bare aluminum. In service during the Vietnam War, the bench seats were usually removed, and the entire floor area covered in sandbags, with ammunition boxes stowed on top of that.
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Posted: Sunday, February 28, 2016 - 06:27 PM UTC
Also, the inside surface of the rear ramp and all hatches should be the same Dark Green as the exterior, not Seafoam Green like the interior should be.

M113A1 w/Seats folded up


M113A1 w/out seats, note inner ramp color.


M113A1 in Vietnam w/sandbags and ammo cans on the floor for mine protection. Also note the dark green ramp interior surface color.
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Posted: Sunday, February 28, 2016 - 11:23 PM UTC
If you're looking for the best, most accurate tracks, I'd recommend Modelkasten's workable set (SK-36).

Cheers,

Christophe
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Posted: Monday, February 29, 2016 - 12:14 AM UTC
Legend makes an update for the M113 kits
http://www-legend.co.kr/portfolio/lf1325-m113detailing-set/
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Posted: Monday, February 29, 2016 - 05:54 AM UTC
Maybe this is slightly off topic but I think know it's better than a new thread;

What're the basic fixes one can do to a Tamiya or Academy hull? Bolts, stuff like that. I've got 8 kits waiting to be built and I'd like to enhance them all to one degree or another.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 - 05:45 AM UTC

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Maybe this is slightly off topic but I think know it's better than a new thread;

What're the basic fixes one can do to a Tamiya or Academy hull? Bolts, stuff like that. I've got 8 kits waiting to be built and I'd like to enhance them all to one degree or another.



The most obvious improvements would be detailing the headlight clusters and guards, and replacing the many tie downs with more dimensional items, either photetch, or home made. Tamiya just shows the lights attached to a rectangular bar that did not exist on the real vehicle. Photoetch engine grill screens also add a lot of realism.

The Tamiya kit particularly needs new tracks, as there is no detail on the inner face of the vinyl band tracks. If you leave off the rubber side skirts, the bolt holes need to be added, or the bolts can be shown in place (or the mounting strip could be present with bolts, but without the rubber). There are plenty of online photos and walk arounds you can study for ideas.

And a nice new M2 Browning machine gun would dress it up, either a resin, or resin and metal aftermarket item, or one of the nice Tasca styrene guns. Even Academy's machine gun set released a few years ago had pretty nice styrene guns.
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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2016 - 11:38 AM UTC
Seafoam green can be purchased from Mouse House in Australia in humbrol sized tins. this colour is a perfect colour match in enamel paints.

The big problem with Academy kits is that the bolt in fuel tank is way too big. Mouse Armour do a correct sized tank (MA301).

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Posted: Friday, March 25, 2016 - 10:26 PM UTC

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Seafoam green can be purchased from Mouse House in Australia in humbrol sized tins. this colour is a perfect colour match in enamel paints.

The big problem with Academy kits is that the bolt in fuel tank is way too big. Mouse Armour do a correct sized tank (MA301).

Austmouse out
www.mheaust.com.au



unfortunately Mouse House is shut down now, except for paints and decals
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Posted: Sunday, March 27, 2016 - 11:42 AM UTC
Wonder how long before Meng or Takom bring out a new M113...
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Posted: Sunday, April 03, 2016 - 08:03 AM UTC
Much appreciated Mr.Owens. Did I also read some where that the Tamiya trim vane isn't the right size? Do you know anything about that?
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Posted: Sunday, April 03, 2016 - 09:53 AM UTC
M113 crews usually keep a roll of chain link fence for protection against RPGs when in defensive postion. See the Tamiya M113 ACAV box art for reference.You can easily use fine plastic mesh to replicate. Also commonly seen on US tanks are transistor radios which is in academy's AFV tank accesories set 2
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Posted: Sunday, April 03, 2016 - 07:45 PM UTC

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Did I also read some where that the Tamiya trim vane isn't the right size? Do you know anything about that?



All I can say is that it looks to be OK for an early M113 :



The M113A1 trim vane has a larger sheet metal "upper lip" :



H.P.
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Posted: Sunday, April 03, 2016 - 07:59 PM UTC
Perfect! Thank you very much
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2016 - 01:03 AM UTC

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Wonder how long before Meng or Takom bring out a new M113...


Well, since I just purchased two of the Academy kits and the PE to go with them, along with AM tracks, I'd guess probably next week.
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2016 - 01:50 AM UTC
Hard to beat the Academy kit you bought.
Better detail than most and plenty of accessories and figures.
More bang for your buck.

Tom
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2016 - 02:04 AM UTC

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Wonder how long before Meng or Takom bring out a new M113...


Well, since I just purchased two of the Academy kits and the PE to go with them, along with AM tracks, I'd guess probably next week.



Let's all buy up a bunch of them this week, that'll guarantee it.

While we're talking M113s, does anyone know a good place to source Diehl drive sprokets? Other than the YPR kit. Are there resin ones?
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2016 - 03:03 AM UTC
I have a question re the M113 - where the tow rope is stowed on the rear ramp, the Tamiya M113 has the 'channels' they're wrapped around in a Top & bottom configuration.
Whereas most of the M113's NZ had in service, the channels are left & right? Is this an example of M113 Petrol engine vs M113A1 Diesel engine differences, or something else?

Also this might be of interest - an ex NZ M113 with T50 turret converted to Aust M113 - the downside being Aust didn't modify it's T50 turret with the raised inverted periscope as NZ did - http://asnz.nz/forums/topic/14837-work-on-the-m113/ -

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