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TM request: OPFOR Surrogate Training System
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 04:57 PM UTC
I'm after the following TMs:

Tehnical Manual (TM) 9-2350-366-10-1
Title: Unit Maintenance Manual for Opposing Forces Surrogate Training Systems, Opposing Forces, Surrogate Vehicle (OSV); Main Battle Tank (MBT), M113A3/MBT (2350- 01-513-4793) Hull.

Technical Manual (TM) 9-2350-366-10-2
Title: Opposing Forces Surrogate Vehicle (OSV) M113A3/BMP-2 2350-01-420-4716 (EIC: AUK) and Main Battle Tank M113A3/MBT 2350-01-513-4793 Turret.

Thanks,

Greg
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Posted: Thursday, April 21, 2016 - 08:22 PM UTC
Go to the LOGSA Electronic Technical Manuals search page and type the TM number in the Pub Number box. Both of the TMs are available as PDFs.
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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2016 - 09:45 AM UTC
Can't get the link to open, sadly.
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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2016 - 10:23 AM UTC
Use Firefox and add the link to "exceptions" and it'll open. IE and Chrome won't open the page because of an issue with the site's certificate.
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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2016 - 11:44 AM UTC
Have the same problem with Firefox.
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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2016 - 05:33 PM UTC

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Use Firefox and add the link to "exceptions" and it'll open. IE and Chrome won't open the page because of an issue with the site's certificate.


You need to register on the LOGSA site to access the .pdfs.

John
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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2016 - 08:59 PM UTC
I never registered and I can read the PDFs online and/or download them.
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Posted: Friday, April 22, 2016 - 10:57 PM UTC
Doesn't work for me, asks for login and I never get to the login screen.

That website is a nightmare and a security risk, I'm surprised it hasn't been hacked already.

Cheers,


Christophe
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Posted: Saturday, April 23, 2016 - 12:36 AM UTC
Suggestion...whoever can access and download the TMs do so and then get in touch with Greg offline.

Easy-Peasy-Resin-Squeezy.
sgtsauer
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Posted: Saturday, April 23, 2016 - 01:22 AM UTC

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Doesn't work for me, asks for login and I never get to the login screen.

That website is a nightmare and a security risk, I'm surprised it hasn't been hacked already.

Cheers,


Christophe


That is the actual DoD ETM website. It shows up as a security risk because its own security is set so tight that it doesn't share data with systems trying to validate it. The surrogate vehicle TM's are not listed as unrestricted so, in theory, unless you have a valid DoD account, it will not let you access them.....Of course, the classification of the manuals could have changed in the last few weeks.
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Posted: Saturday, April 23, 2016 - 01:33 AM UTC

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Suggestion...whoever can access and download the TMs do so and then get in touch with Greg offline.

Easy-Peasy-Resin-Squeezy.


Jason - sounds good to me! I'm sure (hope?) a volunteer will be along directly *whistle*

I can't even get to the page via safari or Firefox.
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Posted: Saturday, April 23, 2016 - 05:23 AM UTC

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Doesn't work for me, asks for login and I never get to the login screen.

That website is a nightmare and a security risk, I'm surprised it hasn't been hacked already.

Cheers,


Christophe


That is the actual DoD ETM website. It shows up as a security risk because its own security is set so tight that it doesn't share data with systems trying to validate it. The surrogate vehicle TM's are not listed as unrestricted so, in theory, unless you have a valid DoD account, it will not let you access them.....Of course, the classification of the manuals could have changed in the last few weeks.


Any ETM with a DIS code "A" are available for unrestricted public distribution and downloading. Those with any codes other than "A", such as "BNF", "CNF", "DNF", are restricted. The two manuals you are looking for possess a "CNF" code, meaning it's restricted. You can see HERE that all TMs relating to "Opposing Forces Surrogate Training Systems" are restricted.

Otherwise, one can d/l any DIS Code "A" publications without logging in.
Headhunter506
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Posted: Saturday, April 23, 2016 - 05:36 AM UTC

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Suggestion...whoever can access and download the TMs do so and then get in touch with Greg offline.

Easy-Peasy-Resin-Squeezy.


Jason - sounds good to me! I'm sure (hope?) a volunteer will be along directly *whistle*

I can't even get to the page via safari or Firefox.


If you use Firefox, follow the instructions I posted previously. Click on "Advanced" on the error page and add the LOGSA URL to your exceptions" in "Security".
2805662
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Posted: Saturday, April 23, 2016 - 10:24 AM UTC

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Doesn't work for me, asks for login and I never get to the login screen.

That website is a nightmare and a security risk, I'm surprised it hasn't been hacked already.

Cheers,


Christophe


That is the actual DoD ETM website. It shows up as a security risk because its own security is set so tight that it doesn't share data with systems trying to validate it. The surrogate vehicle TM's are not listed as unrestricted so, in theory, unless you have a valid DoD account, it will not let you access them.....Of course, the classification of the manuals could have changed in the last few weeks.


Any ETM with a DIS code "A" are available for unrestricted public distribution and downloading. Those with any codes other than "A", such as "BNF", "CNF", "DNF", are restricted. The two manuals you are looking for possess a "CNF" code, meaning it's restricted. You can see HERE that all TMs relating to "Opposing Forces Surrogate Training Systems" are restricted.

Otherwise, one can d/l any DIS Code "A" publications without logging in.


That would explain it. I've got the TM on the hull of the M113A3/BMP-2. Shame I can't access the TMs on the M113A3/MBT hull & turret.
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