As some of you may already know,when I am in the middle of building a large project requiring a lot of time and effort I like to knock something else out quickly so I get that feeling of completing something. Otherwise it is hard for me to maintain the proper mojo to keep going with the bigger project.
This is my very first US Marine project so be gentle my Marine guys,I am a boot!
This subject has always fascinated me,the dogged defense of Wake Island in the face of superior numbers and firepower brought to bear by the Invading Japanese force.
My first leatherneck. He is in the initial mock up stage with all that is not needed being already removed. He started as a GenII Mech Inf guy from Dragon. I started to modify a Kar98K as I am pretty sure these guys didn't have Garands at this early point in the war?
Have a look-see,
The only thing Google helped with was the Marines looked like they had all khaki uniforms,shirts tucked in with pistol belts,ammo pouches and canteens. Leggings and flat helmets. I could use any additional info.
TIA,
J
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You're right...there aren't a lot of 'era' photos. I believe they were using Springfield rifles WW1 vintage
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Posted: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 01:10 AM UTC
You sure don't let moss gather. Watch any of the early Pacific war flicks that pop up on late night tv or youtube. I seem to recall the uniforms being very simple affairs.
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You're right...there aren't a lot of 'era' photos. I believe they were using Springfield rifles WW1 vintage
Thanks,this was pretty much all I saw as well.
J
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Posted: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 01:17 AM UTC
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You sure don't let moss gather. Watch any of the early Pacific war flicks that pop up on late night tv or youtube. I seem to recall the uniforms being very simple affairs.
Kimmo
Thanks Kimmo,gotta keep busy! LoL
Those early Hollywood flix usually have very little basis in reality though so I doubt they would show the correct gear?
J
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Posted: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 01:25 AM UTC
Jerry,
Dragon has a Gaudalcanal Marine set that has two Springfields in it, but they have the later steel pot helmets. A better bet is the new ICM WWI infantry or WWI weapons set that has several Springfields with and without bayonets, and separate WWI field gear that will work for early WWII Marines, including a BAR. The WWI infantry set is not "action" posed, but very nice. The figure set comes with a single sprue of weapons from the weapons set-- which has all the weapons you'd need.
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Dragon has a Gaudalcanal Marine set that has two Springfields in it, but they have the later steel pot helmets. A better bet is the new ICM WWI infantry or WWI weapons set that has several Springfields with and without bayonets, and separate WWI field gear that will work for early WWII Marines, including a BAR. The WWI infantry set is not "action" posed, but very nice. The figure set comes with a single sprue of weapons from the weapons set-- which has all the weapons you'd need.
VR Russ
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Posted: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 02:48 AM UTC
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Quoted TextYou sure don't let moss gather. Watch any of the early Pacific war flicks that pop up on late night tv or youtube. I seem to recall the uniforms being very simple affairs.
Kimmo
Thanks Kimmo,gotta keep busy! LoL
Those early Hollywood flix usually have very little basis in reality though so I doubt they would show the correct gear?
J
They might just be rather accurate, going on hazy memory the marine and army uniforms pre 1940 were pretty much the same? So if there were loads of old issue laying about I would guess Hollywood would have had no problem getting their hands on that stuff. And the early films were often made with the Armed Forces as recruiting films so...
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Posted: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 06:08 PM UTC
Hi Jerry,
Man, excellent concept. I look forward to this.
They had Springfields. First use of the Garand was on Guadalcanal in autumn 1942. I don't know of any 1/35 1903s but HR Products makes case metal ones in 1/32. It is the second from the top, the top rifle being a Tamiya Garand:
All the rest are other HR Products guns including their Garand.
Man, excellent concept. I look forward to this.
For battlefield debris, HR makes a lot of individual uniform items. With some careful carving and fitting, they can be added to plastic figures - a lot easier nowadays due to CA and better putties that the old green and white goo. Again, our Tamiya M1 for size comparison:
This is their 1/32 M1919 water-cooled. Looks rough now but I figure I'll use mine heavily camouflaged, or perhaps knocked-out and covered with debris. Or keep it as an artifact of modeling. ;-)
Those old metal castings don't look like much now but back in the 70s they were state-of-the-art, prominent in Shep Paine and others' work.
Man, excellent concept. I look forward to this.
They had Springfields. First use of the Garand was on Guadalcanal in autumn 1942. I don't know of any 1/35 1903s but HR Products makes case metal ones in 1/32. It is the second from the top, the top rifle being a Tamiya Garand:
All the rest are other HR Products guns including their Garand.
Man, excellent concept. I look forward to this.
For battlefield debris, HR makes a lot of individual uniform items. With some careful carving and fitting, they can be added to plastic figures - a lot easier nowadays due to CA and better putties that the old green and white goo. Again, our Tamiya M1 for size comparison:
This is their 1/32 M1919 water-cooled. Looks rough now but I figure I'll use mine heavily camouflaged, or perhaps knocked-out and covered with debris. Or keep it as an artifact of modeling. ;-)
Those old metal castings don't look like much now but back in the 70s they were state-of-the-art, prominent in Shep Paine and others' work.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 06:24 PM UTC
@ Kimmo-thanks again buddy for the advice. You may be correct about that and I also have some old old memories of those long ago movies I saw as a kid. I think I have all I need for the uniform part now because it was a very simple uniform.
@Fred-thanks for the ideas buddy. I remember all of those metal castings as well. They were the bees knees back in the day. I am fairly confident I can make do with what I have on hand. The equipment mods will be pretty easy as will be the uniform. I already have the steel pot and leggings thankfully,as those would have been very difficult to scratch. I think I can change the Kar98 to a Springfield without too much hassle. He will have a nice BIG bayonet as well! LoL
I am thinking of something altogether different for his "buddy" next to him,making the "last charge".
J
@Fred-thanks for the ideas buddy. I remember all of those metal castings as well. They were the bees knees back in the day. I am fairly confident I can make do with what I have on hand. The equipment mods will be pretty easy as will be the uniform. I already have the steel pot and leggings thankfully,as those would have been very difficult to scratch. I think I can change the Kar98 to a Springfield without too much hassle. He will have a nice BIG bayonet as well! LoL
I am thinking of something altogether different for his "buddy" next to him,making the "last charge".
J
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Posted: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 06:56 PM UTC
Jerry,
Again- as mentioned above, ICM makes a very nice set of Springfields in 1/35 with and without bayonets as well as other useful equipment in their US WWI set.
VR Russ
Again- as mentioned above, ICM makes a very nice set of Springfields in 1/35 with and without bayonets as well as other useful equipment in their US WWI set.
VR Russ
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Posted: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 - 07:05 PM UTC
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Jerry,
Again- as mentioned above, ICM makes a very nice set of Springfields in 1/35 with and without bayonets as well as other useful equipment in their US WWI set.
VR Russ
Thanks Russ,
I did see that and yes,it would be easy but I get a hankerin' to do something and I have to act! So I will stick with what I have on hand and convert it or fabricate it. Thanks again,
J
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Posted: Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 01:49 AM UTC
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Aha! I knew it! Another twisted modeler like me that likes to take old stuff and make it into something useful just for the challenge. We'll soon join the ranks of our brethren scratchbuilders and kitbashers who've gone before us, passing into modeling oblivion, and surrendering our heritage to the invetible crush of the "Internet and Tamiagawa young folk". I never saw the fun of wanting immediate gratification and perfection in modeling. Jerry, it's obvious there's a bunch of us who just get a kick out of cutting, filing and puttying. Thanks for holding the torch high for us! On a serious note, this promises to be a great diorama of a little appreciated subject (today anyway). I consider myself lucky to have walked the beaches of Wake Island (when our 25th ID "chartered" USAF C-141 broke down for a day while transiting to Japan). It's a hallowed place, and there was a fair photographic museum in the terminal. Being there sure stopped and made you think of those guys who knew their time was short in that small place, and fought like the Devil Dogs they were anyway. Many have forgotten they turned the initial invasion force away. Thanks for tackling this subject.
VR Russ
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Jerry,
Again- as mentioned above, ICM makes a very nice set of Springfields in 1/35....
Thanks Russ,
I did see that and yes,it would be easy but I get a hankerin' to do something and I have to act! So I will stick with what I have on hand and convert it or fabricate it. Thanks again,
J
Aha! I knew it! Another twisted modeler like me that likes to take old stuff and make it into something useful just for the challenge. We'll soon join the ranks of our brethren scratchbuilders and kitbashers who've gone before us, passing into modeling oblivion, and surrendering our heritage to the invetible crush of the "Internet and Tamiagawa young folk". I never saw the fun of wanting immediate gratification and perfection in modeling. Jerry, it's obvious there's a bunch of us who just get a kick out of cutting, filing and puttying. Thanks for holding the torch high for us! On a serious note, this promises to be a great diorama of a little appreciated subject (today anyway). I consider myself lucky to have walked the beaches of Wake Island (when our 25th ID "chartered" USAF C-141 broke down for a day while transiting to Japan). It's a hallowed place, and there was a fair photographic museum in the terminal. Being there sure stopped and made you think of those guys who knew their time was short in that small place, and fought like the Devil Dogs they were anyway. Many have forgotten they turned the initial invasion force away. Thanks for tackling this subject.
VR Russ
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Posted: Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 03:02 AM UTC
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As some of you may already know,when I am in the middle of building a large project requiring a lot of time and effort I like to knock something else out quickly so I get that feeling of completing something. Otherwise it is hard for me to maintain the proper mojo to keep going with the bigger project.
This is my very first US Marine project so be gentle my Marine guys,I am a boot!
This subject has always fascinated me,the dogged defense of Wake Island in the face of superior numbers and firepower brought to bear by the Invading Japanese force.
My first leatherneck. He is in the initial mock up stage with all that is not needed being already removed. He started as a GenII Mech Inf guy from Dragon. I started to modify a Kar98K as I am pretty sure these guys didn't have Garands at this early point in the war?
Have a look-see,
The only thing Google helped with was the Marines looked like they had all khaki uniforms,shirts tucked in with pistol belts,ammo pouches and canteens. Leggings and flat helmets. I could use any additional info.
TIA,
J
I love this figure. Keep posting images! As I recall, Tamiya's old US Infantry Weapons Set includes a Springfield, but the ICM and Dragon kits are probably a better source.
Paramount did a movie just months after the battle called Wake Island http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0035530/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 that may provide some useful ideas. US miltary uniforms were easy to come by for Hollywood during the war--it was Axis uniforms that were often a bit squirrely (Germans wearing World War One helmets, and all the Nazi insignia very oversized). Despite its obvious propaganda value, the movie is highly entertaining, and starred some seriously good actors.
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Posted: Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 04:58 AM UTC
If you can find it, the old movie, "To The Shores of Tripoli" is a good one. When I saw the old version they even had the old Blue Marine Corps flag in one scene. Wayne
Posted: Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 10:04 PM UTC
Hey Jerry - when I first saw a new "J Rutman" post - hmmm? What are you up to? Then read the intro...ha! To relax you're taking on an equally complicated side project! Awesome! Looking forward to updates!
Cheers
Nick
Cheers
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2016 - 02:23 AM UTC
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Wow that is so cool you got to be there! The closest place I ever was to the War in the Pacific was in Panama and seeing the early 20th century fortifications and emplacements that were built to protect the very valuable Panama canal.
Yes,I do like to build stuff on my own as it really expands your opportunities for showing out of the ordinary topics like this one. I actually used to scratchbuild airplanes!
J
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Quoted TextJerry,
Again- as mentioned above, ICM makes a very nice set of Springfields in 1/35....
Thanks Russ,
I did see that and yes,it would be easy but I get a hankerin' to do something and I have to act! So I will stick with what I have on hand and convert it or fabricate it. Thanks again,
J
Aha! I knew it! Another twisted modeler like me that likes to take old stuff and make it into something useful just for the challenge. We'll soon join the ranks of our brethren scratchbuilders and kitbashers who've gone before us, passing into modeling oblivion, and surrendering our heritage to the invetible crush of the "Internet and Tamiagawa young folk". I never saw the fun of wanting immediate gratification and perfection in modeling. Jerry, it's obvious there's a bunch of us who just get a kick out of cutting, filing and puttying. Thanks for holding the torch high for us! On a serious note, this promises to be a great diorama of a little appreciated subject (today anyway). I consider myself lucky to have walked the beaches of Wake Island (when our 25th ID "chartered" USAF C-141 broke down for a day while transiting to Japan). It's a hallowed place, and there was a fair photographic museum in the terminal. Being there sure stopped and made you think of those guys who knew their time was short in that small place, and fought like the Devil Dogs they were anyway. Many have forgotten they turned the initial invasion force away. Thanks for tackling this subject.
VR Russ
Wow that is so cool you got to be there! The closest place I ever was to the War in the Pacific was in Panama and seeing the early 20th century fortifications and emplacements that were built to protect the very valuable Panama canal.
Yes,I do like to build stuff on my own as it really expands your opportunities for showing out of the ordinary topics like this one. I actually used to scratchbuild airplanes!
J
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2016 - 02:25 AM UTC
Gerald Wayne and Nick! Thanks so much guys for the excellent remarks and taking the time for some typing. It always is appreciated. I don't have time for many movies these days so I will have to go with the stuff I found on the interwebs. But thanks guys. I am pretty sure I saw those movies back in the day as no war movie went un noticed by me! LoL
J
J
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2016 - 10:10 AM UTC
Jerry,
Yes I spent a lot of time in the Pacific (and six years in Europe too). I only spent about 12 hours at Wake. But they let us have free access to the island so I made the most of it. It was rather flat, and sparsely vegetated, mostly small coconut groves and lots of sand. There were several old pillboxes still standing, and remnants of old fortifications here and there, but except for the old command bunker, nothing was really left. Unfortunately, I couldn't get to my camera, so I have no photographs. I did better at Gaudalcanal, were I spent two weeks cataloging US and Japanese chemical weapons-- the differences between Wake and Guadalcanal are impressive, one is a "desert" island, the other is a tropical jungle-- with areas reminiscent of African grasslands. The Pacific has some really diverse habitats-- and is still very remote.
VR Russ
Yes I spent a lot of time in the Pacific (and six years in Europe too). I only spent about 12 hours at Wake. But they let us have free access to the island so I made the most of it. It was rather flat, and sparsely vegetated, mostly small coconut groves and lots of sand. There were several old pillboxes still standing, and remnants of old fortifications here and there, but except for the old command bunker, nothing was really left. Unfortunately, I couldn't get to my camera, so I have no photographs. I did better at Gaudalcanal, were I spent two weeks cataloging US and Japanese chemical weapons-- the differences between Wake and Guadalcanal are impressive, one is a "desert" island, the other is a tropical jungle-- with areas reminiscent of African grasslands. The Pacific has some really diverse habitats-- and is still very remote.
VR Russ
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2016 - 11:07 AM UTC
Cool subject, I look forward to seeing this in progress. This reminded me of a massive diorama I saw in military modeller magazine back in the 80's. The author used mostly airfix multi pose figures and it even featured a couple of scratch built big guns used to defend the island.
Anybody else remember this dio? I've been trying to look for photos of it online.
Anybody else remember this dio? I've been trying to look for photos of it online.
Posted: Friday, May 27, 2016 - 05:58 PM UTC
I have the magazine in question, I got it in a lot on eBay about a year ago. There is also a pretty nice dio of Wake on Hobby Bunker's site.
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2016 - 09:56 PM UTC
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Jerry,
Yes I spent a lot of time in the Pacific (and six years in Europe too). I only spent about 12 hours at Wake. But they let us have free access to the island so I made the most of it. It was rather flat, and sparsely vegetated, mostly small coconut groves and lots of sand. There were several old pillboxes still standing, and remnants of old fortifications here and there, but except for the old command bunker, nothing was really left. Unfortunately, I couldn't get to my camera, so I have no photographs. I did better at Gaudalcanal, were I spent two weeks cataloging US and Japanese chemical weapons-- the differences between Wake and Guadalcanal are impressive, one is a "desert" island, the other is a tropical jungle-- with areas reminiscent of African grasslands. The Pacific has some really diverse habitats-- and is still very remote.
VR Russ
You were lucky to have such a unique experience for sure! I have always been fascinated by the early part of the war in the Pacific. I think it is because of the underdog aspect of the US Forces at that time. A lot has been made about our numerical and material superiority winning the war but those early battles were just mano-u-mano and we didn't do too bad!!
Guadalcanal is close to me 'cause my Dad was in the "slot" with the cruiser force one night and had the bow of his ship blown off by a long lance torp. right back to the number two turret. This was off Tassaforonga. They had to shore up the remaining bulkhead and then steam in reverse all the way to Oz!! 3 knots without an escort.
J
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2016 - 09:57 PM UTC
Sonny and John,
Thanks for looking in guys. This will only be a vignette so no massive size here. I would like to see that one though.
J
Thanks for looking in guys. This will only be a vignette so no massive size here. I would like to see that one though.
J
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Posted: Saturday, May 28, 2016 - 02:49 AM UTC
There will be three dudes in this thing. Here is the rough mock up of the second guy. He has a body,legs and arms from the Dragon Armored Inf set. Leggings and flat helmet. I started modifying the rifle for the first guy and it isn't too hard so this one will follow suit and they will both get long bayonets.
Have a look-see fellas. Pretty swell or not?
Thanks for looking,
J
Have a look-see fellas. Pretty swell or not?
Thanks for looking,
J
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He is swell, and very dramatic...keep going.