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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2016 - 02:48 PM UTC
I thought that there was a uniform timeline posted, but am unable to find it. Basically, I want to portray infantry and/or panzer grenadiers deployed to Russia in 1942(winter). I plan on using decals for the camouflage. TIA
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2016 - 02:59 PM UTC
In the mid 60's I spent a few weeks over Christmas in Quebec. I had never experienced cold like it. We complain of cold winters with an inch of snow, but that was silly cold. As a result we wore every piece of clothing we possessed, what we looked like was immaterial. As a Merchant Navy Navigating Officer I was supposed to look like one! I imagine German troops would have felt the same. If warm, wear it.
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2016 - 03:06 PM UTC

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In the mid 60's I spent a few weeks over Christmas in Quebec. I had never experienced cold like it. We complain of cold winters with an inch of snow, but that was silly cold. As a result we wore every piece of clothing we possessed, what we looked like was immaterial. As a Merchant Navy Navigating Officer I was supposed to look like one! I imagine German troops would have felt the same. If warm, wear it.


Thank you. Unfortunately, I do not know what camo patterns were available to troops in 1942.
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2016 - 03:15 PM UTC
I think only SS had cammo that early. I have seen Germans wearing Russian ski suits or even white bed sheets. Needs must. If cammo available I would have thought 'Splinter' smocks the most likely.
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2016 - 07:39 PM UTC
Do you mean the winter of '41 - '42, or '42 - '43? If the former, then bed sheets (any white material), and greatcoats. Bed sheets were cut up on a unit, or personal level to make ponchos and helmet covers. If the latter, the "Karhkov" parkas, and other fur lined coats were being issued. Also the two-piece reversable snow-suits.
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2016 - 07:47 PM UTC

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I think only SS had cammo that early. I have seen Germans wearing Russian ski suits or even white bed sheets. Needs must. If cammo available I would have thought 'Splinter' smocks the most likely.

Splinter ponchos were army issue since before the war, but would have been pretty useless during winter, either as warmth or camo. The two-piece snow suits were issued either very late winter '41 - '42, or winter '42 - '43. They reversed spring (splinter pattern) to winter (white).
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Posted: Monday, June 20, 2016 - 11:57 PM UTC
The majority of the figures I will be using are dressed in the reversible snow suite. I am glad you addressed the issue, as I was about to purchase autumn decals.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - 03:46 AM UTC
Army (Heer) units' only camo was splinter - two shades of green and brown. SS units, however, had a much wider variety of seasonal camo. If you're doing an SS unit, their reversable snow suits were similar, but went from white to autumn pattern.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - 06:16 AM UTC
Thanks, again giggles.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - 08:16 PM UTC

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Thanks, again giggles.


"GIGGLES"?? Really? I will assume that was a typo.
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Posted: Tuesday, June 21, 2016 - 11:24 PM UTC

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Thanks, again giggles.


"GIGGLES"?? Really? I will assume that was a typo.


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Posted: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 - 03:57 AM UTC
The also came in grey
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Posted: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 - 04:31 AM UTC

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The also came in grey


I agree with "Giggles" ( ), regarding his comments on the German Heer (Army) and Waffen SS camos... Seriously, Biggles has got it right...

Just a side-comment:

The Luftwaffe's Fallschirmjaeger Jump-Smocks were Feldgrau early on, which is a very GRAY-looking Green- Sort of a Grayish Green, you might say... Fallschirmjaeger Camo smocks didn't come til later on, closely resembling the Heer pattern, if my memory serves.

Oddly enough, the trousers remained Feldblau, which was more Gray than Blue, in the temperate European Theatres of Operations. In Africa and the Mediterranean Theatres, the Luftwaffe Tropical Uniforms, along with the Fallschirmjaeger Trousers, Jackets and Jump-Smocks were Theatre-specific, made in a Yellowish-Khaki color, rather than the AFRIKAKORPS Khaki-Olive-Green.

The Waffen SS were the only German Service that were issued "Season-specific" Cammies, i.e separate garments issued for all four seasons. The Heer's Brown-Green Splinter-pattern was to suffice over Spring/Summer/Autumn...
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Posted: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 - 06:15 AM UTC
In the winter of 42-43, Heer reversible snow suits usually reversed to grey. The splinter camouflage suits came later.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 - 07:14 AM UTC
http://www.germanmilitaria.com/WaffenSS/01Uniforms.html

http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/04CamoClothing.html

These links should provide you with what you need. The site is a dealer in authentic issue gear. He breaks it down into many subcatergories, but I linked the two you should need to start with.
Best of luck,
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Posted: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 - 09:30 AM UTC

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Thanks, again giggles.


"GIGGLES"?? Really? I will assume that was a typo.


TEEHEE
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Posted: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 - 03:18 PM UTC
Rod: Thanks for the links.

Lots of good information, here. The figures will be Heer, late '42 to very early '43. I have Tamiya RLM Green and Vallejo Winter Uniform on order. I have one figure ready for the reversible autumn splinter camouflaged smock. Two are wearing great coats. The third is also wearing a reversible smock, which I will paint grey. I will also be using MB Cold Wind figures(which are clearly wearing sheets).

I'm looking at either CrossDelta or Meister Chronicle/Shinsengumi decals. Does anyone have knowledge of which I should go with?
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Posted: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 - 07:46 PM UTC
I have never tried any camo decals, but I imagine they would be very tedious to apply.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 - 08:01 PM UTC
I can handle tedious giggles.
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Posted: Thursday, June 23, 2016 - 03:01 PM UTC
Well I used CrossDelta decals recently (their modern German camo varieties) and they are excellent- they go on well even in tiny pieces and are quite strong so handling and doing a bit of shading is not a problem. I used Micro-Sol to get them to conform and it worked nicely.
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Posted: Thursday, June 23, 2016 - 04:12 PM UTC

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Well I used CrossDelta decals recently (their modern German camo varieties) and they are excellent- they go on well even in tiny pieces and are quite strong so handling and doing a bit of shading is not a problem. I used Micro-Sol to get them to conform and it worked nicely.


HM! I'll keep the CrossDelta decals in mind! Thanks for the info!
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Posted: Thursday, June 23, 2016 - 04:13 PM UTC
I will have to purchase Micro-sol. I use Walthers and Testors for most of my decals.
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Posted: Thursday, June 23, 2016 - 04:31 PM UTC
If you use Walthers, no need to purchase MicroSol as the Walthers is a stronger setting solution.
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Posted: Thursday, June 23, 2016 - 05:52 PM UTC
Absolute majority of WH an SS troops including front-line combat units was using Feldgrau coats during the winters 1941-42 and 42-43.
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