Armor/AFV: Allied - WWII
Armor and ground forces of the Allied forces during World War II.
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Tamiya M10 Wolverine Build
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 08:55 AM UTC

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Nice painting Colin!

@Gord: Please read my explanation about the hex nut bosses on the hull tub floors. This isn't a concession to toylike features. Those bosses are hidden and will be unused by 98% of modelers.


Thanks Roy.
Consider it read. You, as usual are the man.
Still, if you wanted to detail the driver area it would be a bugger to scrape off. It's kind of a weird choice by Tamiya don't you think?
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 12:31 AM UTC

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Starting on preliminary weathering now. I have had some requests to detail how I do my weathering so I will attempt a bit of an SBS here.


This is a great effect, I can really see the metal aging before my eyes. Well done and thanks for showing how.
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 12:40 AM UTC

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Still, if you wanted to detail the driver area it would be a bugger to scrape off. It's kind of a weird choice by Tamiya don't you think?
Gord



I'm looking at mine right now. I believe Tamiya placed the fwd hex boss right where the transmission housing would rest on the tub floor if they were to repurpose the hull and use it in a variant where they'd include a driver's compartment.

But if not, it's still not a big hurdle for the modeler who wishes to drop in their own. This kit's lower hull isn't the tub we've often seen. It's several flat slabs. Thus, to remove the hex boss, all one would need is a razor saw.
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 12:27 PM UTC
I have also been lurking around and following this build closely Colin. It is a beautiful build so far. I have really been enjoying your SBS build and captions with comments outlining different steps, especially the weathering technique! Have learnt a lot of useful weathering techniques and it would be great to keep doing the same. Thank you
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Posted: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 - 06:16 AM UTC

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But if not, it's still not a big hurdle for the modeler who wishes to drop in their own. This kit's lower hull isn't the tub we've often seen. It's several flat slabs. Thus, to remove the hex boss, all one would need is a razor saw.



Of course you are right, I hadn't thought of that, Too used to big hull tubs from Tamiya.
With all the nice work in the fighting compartment I am still a little surprised that Tamiya totally cheaped out on the drivers compartment.
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Posted: Sunday, September 25, 2016 - 01:57 AM UTC
Hey Colin,
Here's mine .Straight OOTB.Not the great detail your doing.Working on the figures.They fit very well as Tamiya usually doe's .Don't waste a lot of time on the gunner as you said ,not much of him shows.

Tom
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Posted: Sunday, September 25, 2016 - 03:44 AM UTC
Cheers Tom, looking good! I haven't really added much in the way of detail, these Tamiya kits are so nice in that they pretty much fall together. I have finished up the preliminary shading and streaking. On the horizontal surfaces such as the engine deck, I don't necessarily streak the oils, i blend them together, trying to maintain the highlights and shadows:

Everything finished. Once the oils have completely dried I will add a coat of Future, decals, another coat of Future, then a flat coat, then start with washes and some light chipping.




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Posted: Sunday, September 25, 2016 - 06:29 AM UTC
Excellent weathering work Colin! Thanks for the reply about pre-shading.

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Posted: Sunday, September 25, 2016 - 08:15 AM UTC
Nice progress Colin! It's going to look really nice when you are finished.
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Posted: Sunday, September 25, 2016 - 04:53 PM UTC
That's coming along really well Colin,
I have the kit in the stash so I've been following your build and I'm impressed

Regards

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Posted: Sunday, September 25, 2016 - 09:21 PM UTC
Nice work ... i never had succesd with oil filter.. love the effect that u did.... perhaps i can share how i did it...


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Posted: Monday, September 26, 2016 - 06:58 AM UTC
I like how your weathering is coming along Colin -- have picked up on what oil colors to use for such a base coat.


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The tracks are single piece, vinyl-like flexible plastic that can be joined with regular model glue (I used Tamiya Extra-Thin). Detail is good and they fit snugly.



Just curious on how you mounted the kit-supplied tracks -- any special care / technique you had to do? I ask as I just read one's ongoing M10 build that had his track torn, thus needed to be stapled.

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Posted: Monday, September 26, 2016 - 07:59 AM UTC
Thanks everyone! Hopefully I can keep it up for the est of the weathering.

Tat, I saw the torn tracks in the Tank Hunters campaign as well. I clamped mine after gluing to make sure the join was nice and strong as they did have a tendency to want to pull apart. Nothing special for putting them on really.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 - 03:11 AM UTC

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I like how your weathering is coming along Colin -- have picked up on what oil colors to use for such a base coat.


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The tracks are single piece, vinyl-like flexible plastic that can be joined with regular model glue (I used Tamiya Extra-Thin). Detail is good and they fit snugly.



Just curious on how you mounted the kit-supplied tracks -- any special care / technique you had to do? I ask as I just read one's ongoing M10 build that had his track torn, thus needed to be stapled.



Since 1997, Tamiya has used a styrene-vinyl blend for their tracks, which is a mixed blessing. It can be glued with normal cement, but the new plastic is more fragile than the original vinyl (which was nearly indestructible). I have had Tamiya tracks snap where they had been folded to fit in the box, for instance. This Tamiya flexible plastic blend must be painted with acrylic paints only--enamel or lacquer paints or thinners will attack the soft plastic, causing it to dry out and crumble, sometimes within days.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 - 04:02 AM UTC

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Thanks everyone! Hopefully I can keep it up for the est of the weathering.

Tat, I saw the torn tracks in the Tank Hunters campaign as well. I clamped mine after gluing to make sure the join was nice and strong as they did have a tendency to want to pull apart. Nothing special for putting them on really.



Thanks Colin! I have the M10 lined up for a campaign so its good to know what's ahead in building this kit.


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Since 1997, Tamiya has used a styrene-vinyl blend for their tracks, which is a mixed blessing. It can be glued with normal cement, but the new plastic is more fragile than the original vinyl (which was nearly indestructible). I have had Tamiya tracks snap where they had been folded to fit in the box, for instance. This Tamiya flexible plastic blend must be painted with acrylic paints only--enamel or lacquer paints or thinners will attack the soft plastic, causing it to dry out and crumble, sometimes within days.



Gerald, Tamiya re-issues kits like its Pz II F/G. I've bought a couple recently, and judging from the looks of the packaging it clearly is not of either 70's or 80's vintage. Is it safe to assume that that its tracks would be those of the styrene-blend. If so, is there a way to confirm?
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Posted: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 - 05:56 AM UTC

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Thanks everyone! Hopefully I can keep it up for the est of the weathering.

Tat, I saw the torn tracks in the Tank Hunters campaign as well. I clamped mine after gluing to make sure the join was nice and strong as they did have a tendency to want to pull apart. Nothing special for putting them on really.



Thanks Colin! I have the M10 lined up for a campaign so its good to know what's ahead in building this kit.


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Since 1997, Tamiya has used a styrene-vinyl blend for their tracks, which is a mixed blessing. It can be glued with normal cement, but the new plastic is more fragile than the original vinyl (which was nearly indestructible). I have had Tamiya tracks snap where they had been folded to fit in the box, for instance. This Tamiya flexible plastic blend must be painted with acrylic paints only--enamel or lacquer paints or thinners will attack the soft plastic, causing it to dry out and crumble, sometimes within days.



Gerald, Tamiya re-issues kits like its Pz II F/G. I've bought a couple recently, and judging from the looks of the packaging it clearly is not of either 70's or 80's vintage. Is it safe to assume that that its tracks would be those of the styrene-blend. If so, is there a way to confirm?


I have not revisited the older kits since the change (there are usually newer kits from other makers), but you could try adding a few drops of cement to the runner (sprue) the tracks come on. If it becomes tacky where the cement touches, it's the new stuff. If the plastic is unaffected, it is vinyl. Of course, another clue would be the instructions--do they suggest gluing the track ends together, or welding them with a heated knife blade? [Actually my favorite classic Tamiya instruction said to drive a small tack into the end of a wooden chopstick, and heat that to make the weld]
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Posted: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 - 07:19 PM UTC
Will give it a try. Thanks Gerald! Tat
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Posted: Friday, September 30, 2016 - 12:28 AM UTC
I like it very much, lets hope they get an M-18 out
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Posted: Saturday, October 01, 2016 - 12:15 AM UTC
Future, decals, Future and flat coat, ready for pinwashes, washes, more streaking and a bit of dirtying up, just going to keep it to some light dust I think.



Crew assembled and ready for painting - eek! not my strong suit!
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Posted: Sunday, October 02, 2016 - 08:27 AM UTC
Continuing on, painted up the exhaust, basically just layering up different rust shades with a bit of rust pigment mixed in to get the corroded texture. Will top off with some more pigments at the end.

A light oil drybrushing to bring out some details

And on to the pin wash, I like oils for this because of the long working time. I mixed up a black/raw umber mix and apply sparingly with a fine brush.

Let it dry and then with a soft brush just barely dampened with turpenoid I gently brush away the excess. Make sure the brush is almost dry or you just wash away everything. You just want to leave a nice shadow behind.
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Posted: Sunday, October 02, 2016 - 08:39 AM UTC
Looking very nice Colin.
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Posted: Sunday, October 09, 2016 - 03:43 AM UTC
Finished off the pin wash, followed with a bit more drybrushing:

Time for chipping, set up my wet pallete and got the brush and foam shreds ready:

After chipping:



Also painted up the tracks, dark grey basecoat and added several washes (rust, earth) for the metal parts.

Will do an overall wash and then follow up with pigments.
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Posted: Sunday, October 09, 2016 - 04:20 AM UTC
Looking good Colin. I especially like the way you have done the modulation for such a single color finish.
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Posted: Sunday, October 09, 2016 - 04:29 AM UTC
Thanks Tat! I have really gotten into this technique, I really like how it gives a single colour paint scheme more life.
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Posted: Thursday, December 15, 2016 - 09:43 PM UTC
So I finally sucked it up and finished off the figures and last few details on the M10. Still not entirely happy with the figs (and I see I missed the mold seams on the lenses of the commanders binoculars ! Anyway, it is done although I will probably add some stowage later as many of the pictures I see show them loaded down with gear. Overall it was a very nice kit to build, typical Tamiya precision apparent in the excellent fit of the parts, and a few detail shortcuts apparent. I built it pretty much OOB, only adding a bit of detail to the suspension, a new wire cable and scraping off molded on grab handles and replacing with wire. It builds up into a nice model, and with the help of some a/m P/E that is available, much of the missing detail can be added.Edit: Oops! I forgot to add the headlamp lenses!










All in all, another good effort from Tamiya.