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Yes Chris,

your statement is absolutely correct!

I'll never buy the Dragon Black label yunk again!

Dragon should call it the "Black [auto-censored]"; - that's more appropriate!

The M60 plain is plagued by mistakes:

1. main gun barrel too long and too thin!
2, M83 barrel too long!
3. M19 cupola is a piece of [auto-censored]; - replaced it with the Legend one's!
5. The hatches are "liberated" of any interrior details!
6. Even the sprocket is void it's mud holes!!!

AFV Club has no problems in getting the details right with their M60 models! No missing mud holes or other crap!

Save your money and spare you any problems with the "Black [auto-censored]" Dragon models!

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But... M60 kit is not Black Label... It's a "SmartKit".

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Chris in step 10 it lists the turret "cradle" as part B4, but in step 13 it lists the turret cradle BOTTOM as part B4. Could you please show a photo of those two parts, especially the bottom part (the part that sits in the hull) showing them side by side, (from above) will give an idea of how much material can be removed to try and fix the shape issue.

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I'm planning to cut along the red line shown below to make the bottom part "B4" round to more or less match to circle on the tank chassis.

Your step by step explanation of the corrections over on FSM is much appreciated.

I'm bashing the hell out of one over at the Finescale site if anyone's interested....

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/3/t/174638.aspx

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Your step by step explanation of the corrections over on FSM is much appreciated.

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Yes, but Aye Carumba! The actual modeling in that thread takes up about half a page out of the four. You have to wonder about these guys with these massive signature graphics . . . Is what you are saying really so important or meaningful that it must be seen by everyone, every time you post? And what does it say when your boilerplate cuteness is ten times the length of what you are deliberately writing?

KL

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I'm bashing the hell out of one over at the Finescale site if anyone's interested....

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/3/t/174638.aspx

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Karl,

Thanks; that's a very useful article; thanks for your efforts. I may now give this model a go myself.

Brian

Your step by step explanation of the corrections over on FSM is much appreciated. Silk purse from a sows ear. Really looks good.

Does Ddragon ever base any of their new new US armor on any actual tanks.or just guess their way thru the kits. So many errors in the Black Plague line.

The thing to do with this kit is to throw away away the T54 turret and use the hull to make an early production M48 slick. Dragon got the early oblong driver's hatch and fenders. If only they had put in an M48 turret with the low cupola.

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Your step by step explanation of the corrections over on FSM is much appreciated.

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Yes, but Aye Carumba! The actual modeling in that thread takes up about half a page out of the four. You have to wonder about these guys with these massive signature graphics . . . Is what you are saying really so important or meaningful that it must be seen by everyone, every time you post? And what does it say when your boilerplate cuteness is ten times the length of what you are deliberately writing?

KL

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Hmmm, well, I dunno, Kurt--why don't YOU try to tell us "what it says"?

Apparently you've got some concept of how a thread should proceed within some arbitrary parameters known only to you?

You know, all the actual "modeling" in that thread is succinctly contained within my various photo-heavy posts, and anyone with half a brain can just scroll through and find what they need to know. A anyone but Kurt, apparently?

Your worthless comment is a good example of why I spend most of my time over at Finescale--I've really grown to love the sense of community and friendly banter over there, peppered with some genuinely modelers and knowledgeable people who are not afraid to weigh in and have their "boilerplate cuteness" (whatever the hell THAT means) picked apart by self-appointed critics who have nothing to offer to the discussion or thread. You can post over there and be guaranteed that you're going to get actual replies, conversation, friendly banter, and real critique and advice. Not so much here, in my experience.

Tell ya what, buddy---you just stay right here and wait for this thread's original poster to get back with some progress, ok? That would be greaaaaaat.

Ultimately, your comment tells us more about YOU than anything.

The M60 plain is plagued by mistakes:

1. main gun barrel too long and too thin!
2, M83 barrel too long!
3. M19 cupola is a piece of [auto-censored]; - replaced it with the Legend one's!
5. The hatches are "liberated" of any interrior details!
6. Even the sprocket is void it's mud holes!!!

Oh, OK, here's some useful advice that you'll only find on Armorama:

> You call stuff by the wrong name in your posts and change what you call it from place to place. That makes it harder to follow what you are talking about.

> If you would've assembled the lower turret pieces first and packed the bottom with epoxy putty before reshaping it you would maintain a solid structure even if you break through the plastic and save yourself a lot of filler work later. You probably also would've avoided the gap under the gun.

> The "bolts" attaching the dust cover are more likely to be "press-the-dot" type fasteners. There are better ways of representing them than hex slices.

> If you are using plastic stock to represent fasteners you should consider getting a NWSL Chopper or a punch set. Either of these will give you heads with a consistent thickness and parallel faces that look better and are easier to use.

> Finally, your primer is too thick and hides detail. You really ought to consider why you are even bothering. Unless it has aggressive solvents or zinc or chromium compounds in it, it's not going to increase paint adhesion. You'll do better just washing your parts before painting. If you want a consistent color to check for flaws use your regular primary color.

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Tell ya what, buddy---you just stay right here and wait for this thread's original poster to get back with some progress, ok? That would be greaaaaaat.

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OK Lumberg. (And not the one who [auto-censored]ed Jennifer Anniston.)

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Ultimately, your comment tells us more about YOU than anything.

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I would hope so.

And you were able to learn what I was about even without some stupid meme at the bottom of the post to help you out.

KL

Hello Karl,

I have thoroughly enjoyed your modeling of this unique vehicle. You have provided a clear and concise narrative that I will benefit from, so, thank you. I said, Thank You, dammit! Wow, that felt good and I have no idea why...LOL!

Over the years, I have come to respect people like you, Kurt, Olivier and so many others for opinions, facts and objective observations.

There is a lot of talent that lurks within these forums. Even considering that written words do not always reflect intentions, emotions and so on, methinks that a computer provides a feeling of security for some folks to act braver than they actually are in person. It reminds me of road rage wherein one or more drivers are antagonistic and even deadly in their driving, but, are pretty meek once they park their respective automobiles.

There are a few who frequently post on modeling forums in such a manner that they would have to be a real bad mofo to survive with the same "attitude" in person, such is their rudeness. I have thought about a diorama displaying a model contest where some of the internet bad-asses actually meet the ones they have so carelessly insulted...it would probably resemble a bar fight! Lol!

Regardless of how good or accurate their knowledge may be, much of the value is lost in the manner they express it. On the other hand, if talking to people as if one is a Drill Sergeant is their true personality, so be it...in small doses. Personally, I never have understood this kind of approach in something as pleasant as building a model.

While not everyone shares the same language, interests or building skills, courtesy is fairly universal. Even in combat, there are times to be considerate, as ruthlessness is always just a whisper away and I know about that.

I have no doubt that you will continue to share your hard earned skills with others and I commend you for that. There is likely a silent majority who value what you and so many others post and share. So, keep it up! Your conviction and lucid presentations may inspire others to share their models on this forum.

Respectfully,

Allen