Forgive me, if this has been posted, before. Found a high quality photo of a panzer commander wearing a fallschirmjager helmet, here:
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/500321839844934975/
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retiredyank
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Posted: Monday, August 28, 2017 - 04:39 PM UTC
Biggles2
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Posted: Monday, August 28, 2017 - 07:21 PM UTC
Can't see the pic, but maybe Hermann Goering Div.?
retiredyank
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Posted: Monday, August 28, 2017 - 08:31 PM UTC
Click on the link. It will take you to Pinterest.
TigerTiger
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Posted: Monday, August 28, 2017 - 09:27 PM UTC
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Click on the link. It will take you to Pinterest.
Sorry Matt but the link just takes me to the Pinterest login page
Biggles2
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Posted: Monday, August 28, 2017 - 10:01 PM UTC
And it says, "Oops, looks like the page is broken!" That's whatI meant when I said I couldn't see the pic.
retiredyank
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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 12:50 AM UTC
Doh! That was in my private library. Here it is -
alanmac
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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 01:49 AM UTC
What do you mean "Doh! That was in my private library.Here it is -"
Actually here it is on pinterest
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/456411743470348701/
Yes and you posted this on Missing Lynx and as I understand it got a comprehensive reply. It isn't a para helmet but an experimental one never put into use.
You then waffled on about seeing something in a book you no longer have, now there's a surprise. I really don't understand your modus operandi.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1503730645/last-1503820211/View+Thread
Mostly it's bullsh!t and waffle, and when you get called out on something, as seen in the past, it's always down to some picture you've seen that you can't remember where or when.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47208/message/1492869932/Interior+color+of+US+tanks-
You usually get away with stuff on on here but I've often seen you put straight when trying things over on the many experts on Missing Lynx.
Why the post... I'll tell you why, because I'm fed up of seeing you waste peoples time trying to be part of the conversation, trying to look knowledgeable and interesting. Passing over incorrect information that for the unsuspecting thinking it's correct.
Actually here it is on pinterest
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/456411743470348701/
Yes and you posted this on Missing Lynx and as I understand it got a comprehensive reply. It isn't a para helmet but an experimental one never put into use.
You then waffled on about seeing something in a book you no longer have, now there's a surprise. I really don't understand your modus operandi.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1503730645/last-1503820211/View+Thread
Mostly it's bullsh!t and waffle, and when you get called out on something, as seen in the past, it's always down to some picture you've seen that you can't remember where or when.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47208/message/1492869932/Interior+color+of+US+tanks-
You usually get away with stuff on on here but I've often seen you put straight when trying things over on the many experts on Missing Lynx.
Why the post... I'll tell you why, because I'm fed up of seeing you waste peoples time trying to be part of the conversation, trying to look knowledgeable and interesting. Passing over incorrect information that for the unsuspecting thinking it's correct.
retiredyank
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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 02:25 AM UTC
Fallschirmjäger steel helmets. In the very excellent book Die Ritterkreuzträger der Deutschen Wehrmacht 1939 - 1945, Teil 1: Sturmartillerie by Franz Thomas & Günter Wegmann, Osnabrück: Biblio-Verlag, 1985. In this book are several photos of Heer Sturmgeschütz III crews on the Russian Front wearing Luftwaffe Fallschirmjäger steel helmets as protective headgear. It is not mentioned as to whether these helmets were issued, or simply "acquired" by the individual crews. Unfortunately, this out of print book was "borrowed" and never returned so I am unable to site the number of this unit, dates or the page numbers these photographs appear on. Photographs also exist of Fallschirmjäger steel helmets being worn by Sturmgeschütz III crews belonging to Fallschirm-Sturmgeschütz Brigade XII in Normandy. As part of the 3. Fallschirmjäger Division these crews would have had easy access to these helmets. - Michael H. Pruett
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/961285841
A: It was in my private Pinterest library
B: I never claimed to be the owner
C: I never claimed it to be any type of panzer issued helmet
D: Maybe you should have read the other posts, such as the one quoted above
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/961285841
A: It was in my private Pinterest library
B: I never claimed to be the owner
C: I never claimed it to be any type of panzer issued helmet
D: Maybe you should have read the other posts, such as the one quoted above
TotemWolf
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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 03:06 AM UTC
It looks to me like a standard German helmet with brim cut off to accommodate the headphones. If it is a Fallschirmjäger helmet it has been modified as well.
jps
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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 03:08 AM UTC
Kinda hate to go into this thread but starting a new one seems a little silly.
The first thing I noticed about this picture was there is no flaring around the lower edges of this helmet the sides come straight down. I did a quick image search and all the photos of Falshirmjager helmets have the flaring out along the bottom edge. It is not as prononuced as a Whermacht helmet but there. It is also tighter fitted than the Falshirmjager helmet but maybe this guy has a big head.
Did the Germans make any Falshirmjager helmets that come straight down without flaring out at the edge?
The first thing I noticed about this picture was there is no flaring around the lower edges of this helmet the sides come straight down. I did a quick image search and all the photos of Falshirmjager helmets have the flaring out along the bottom edge. It is not as prononuced as a Whermacht helmet but there. It is also tighter fitted than the Falshirmjager helmet but maybe this guy has a big head.
Did the Germans make any Falshirmjager helmets that come straight down without flaring out at the edge?
Vicious
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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 03:26 AM UTC
Yep ,also for me look funny,if is a Fallschirmjager helmet been cut the edge,but look also very small
TotemWolf
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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 05:22 AM UTC
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No they did not. I have seen and handle them before. All the helmets used by the German troops, even in the Navy, had a brim. ......
Did the Germans make any Falshirmjager helmets that come straight down without flaring out at the edge?
goldnova72
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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 05:40 AM UTC
Could it be a liner from the early war style Panzer Beret ?
retiredyank
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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 06:44 AM UTC
This photo makes no sense. If it was an experimental helmet, why the column of tanks, when one would portray it at less expense? If it was propaganda, wouldn't he be wearing the beret(more romantic). I can see the difference, between the fallschirmjager helmet and the one in the photo.
AgentG
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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 08:56 AM UTC
Read you post again and realize the answer lies within. The photo has nothing to do with the helmet.
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RLlockie
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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 12:34 PM UTC
Troops test stuff frequently. The photographer probably didn't even know what the story behind the helmet was and just wanted a photograph of a column of tanks and that unit (possibly a training school, where feedback on testing is easier to gather) happened to be co-located with him. If he'd been on the second tank in line (assuming that he was actually on the first), the helmet would not have featured.
The fact that something is photographed (the Cromwell 'prong' comes to mind) does not necessarily show that its use was widespread or significant.
The fact that something is photographed (the Cromwell 'prong' comes to mind) does not necessarily show that its use was widespread or significant.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 04:10 PM UTC
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BINGO!!!! What do you mean "Doh! That was in my private library.Here it is -"
Actually here it is on pinterest
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/456411743470348701/[/
Yes and you posted this on Missing Lynx and as I understand it got a comprehensive reply. It isn't a para helmet but an experimental one never put into use.
You then waffled on about seeing something in a book you no longer have, now there's a surprise. I really don't understand your modus operandi.
[url]http://www.network54.com/Forum/47207/thread/1503730645/last-1503820211/View+Thread
Mostly it's bullsh!t and waffle, and when you get called out on something, as seen in the past, it's always down to some picture you've seen that you can't remember where or when.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/47208/message/1492869932/Interior+color+of+US+tanks-
You usually get away with stuff on on here but I've often seen you put straight when trying things over on the many experts on Missing Lynx.
Why the post... I'll tell you why, because I'm fed up of seeing you waste peoples time trying to be part of the conversation, trying to look knowledgeable and interesting. Passing over incorrect information that for the unsuspecting thinking it's correct.
retiredyank
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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 06:36 PM UTC
I don't see where asking people not privy to the original post is a waste of time. All opinions count. By the way, the only question I asked was to see the thread that dealt, with the photo. The only debate I offered was the one person who claims that it is discussed, in a book. Finally, you act like it shouldn't be brought up on other forums, because it was discussed on one. So, people on this forum should not be shown a photo you know about?
alanmac
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Posted: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - 11:20 PM UTC
Maybe it's a WW2 British Tankers helmet he's acquired from somewhere and it's not quite his size.
Biggles2
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Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 - 02:57 AM UTC
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Troops test stuff frequently. The photographer probably didn't even know what the story behind the helmet was and just wanted a photograph of a column of tanks and that unit (possibly a training school, where feedback on testing is easier to gather) happened to be co-located with him. If he'd been on the second tank in line (assuming that he was actually on the first), the helmet would not have featured.
The fact that something is photographed (the Cromwell 'prong' comes to mind) does not necessarily show that its use was widespread or significant.
The farmer's hut in the middle distance suggests somewhere in Russia, perhaps the first year of Barbarossa?
AgentG
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Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 - 06:43 AM UTC
Those look to be Pz IV F (F1) models. They have two hatches per turret side, short barrelled 75 mm's and appear to be painted in dark yellow with a camo pattern applied. Interesting in that F1 production occurred for a short span of time, April '41-November '41.
F1 production started in time for Barbarossa, but dark yellow didn't come along until 1943, way to late for the first year of Barbarossa.
The uniforms are way too neat and clean and "correct" for anything other than a new unit early on in a combat zone. I think it is in Russia based on damage and field modifications to some of the tanks.
Maybe a training run on the new panzers? Maybe not Russia at all? Maybe the Panzer Gray just looks lighter in this shot?
Thoughts gentlemen?
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F1 production started in time for Barbarossa, but dark yellow didn't come along until 1943, way to late for the first year of Barbarossa.
The uniforms are way too neat and clean and "correct" for anything other than a new unit early on in a combat zone. I think it is in Russia based on damage and field modifications to some of the tanks.
Maybe a training run on the new panzers? Maybe not Russia at all? Maybe the Panzer Gray just looks lighter in this shot?
Thoughts gentlemen?
G
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Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 - 01:10 PM UTC
Just an observation, but that guy in the picture looks anything but happy. That's why I go with the training exercise, experimental helmet theory. He looks like he knows he looks stupid in the undersized and possibly uncomfortable hat.
It honestly looks like he's about to say , " did you get your picture yet? I want to take this stupid hat off!"
And the house doesn't necessarily place it in Russia. There were houses like that all over Eastern Europe. And the tank could be one of the Africa brown F1 that show up in some pictures. I'm probably wrong but it looks like there is camo sprayed on the cupola and there just wouldn't be a whole platoon of F1 like that, late enough to be in dark yellow.
It honestly looks like he's about to say , " did you get your picture yet? I want to take this stupid hat off!"
And the house doesn't necessarily place it in Russia. There were houses like that all over Eastern Europe. And the tank could be one of the Africa brown F1 that show up in some pictures. I'm probably wrong but it looks like there is camo sprayed on the cupola and there just wouldn't be a whole platoon of F1 like that, late enough to be in dark yellow.
Biggles2
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Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 - 06:54 PM UTC
More likely panzer gray with a layer of dust. Sometimes green was used as a secondary color over the panzer gray, pre-1943 Dun kelgelb, if there is a camo pattern on these tanks. In B/W photos there's not much tonal difference between the two colors.
obg153
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Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 - 07:17 PM UTC
It's not just the house, but the background landscape that makes this most likely to be Russia. And the collar insignia seems to resemble Totenkopf. Can't quite make out what's on the badge on his pocket.
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Posted: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 - 07:34 PM UTC
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It's not just the house, but the background landscape that makes this most likely to be Russia.
Ukraine/Russia would be my guess as well...
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