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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 12:25 AM UTC

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ICM did a turretless Panther Ausf. D configured as one of the recovery tanks built by Henschel just before Kursk. The turret opening had a wooden deck over it, but no recovery winch was installed.


No, ICM Bergepanther is post-Kursk. The first 12 delivered for the battle were based on the initial Ausf. D Panther and had only 12 bolts on the road wheels (which ICM has not). Plus they were not equipped with the crane neither the front MG supports.

Part of the Bergepanther production was of this simplified type, it was not only a temporary solution for the first batch.

And yes, I also hope one of the multiple Panther kits announced will eventually evolve into a Bergepanther


There were no 12-bolt road wheels. Initial production vehicles had 16 bolts per wheel, as shown on the ICM kit. These suffered excessive rim failures, so the number of fasteners was doubled on existing wheels, with either 16 bolts or 16 rivets added between the original boltss. These 32-fastener wheels started to appear in summer, 1943, and mixed sets of wheels were sometimes seen.
The final wheel design had 24 bolts per wheel.
Invincible
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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 01:43 AM UTC
We like to have a choice of kits. It is our human right to have a choice. This tank was built under the control of a man who rather liked denying people their rights, and look where it got him. If you are not interested in a subject, don't comment on it saying everyone who has taken interest in it has a fetish for it. Now be grateful that you have the right to have a device to use, and a home to use it in. Good night.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 02:52 AM UTC
Its over kill with the german armor
brekinapez
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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 03:35 AM UTC

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Its over kill with the german armor


Why do you people insist on commenting on stuff you don't even care about? Makes it seem like you have nothing else going on in your empty little lives.

My god, there are more Sherman kits on the market than there are Tiger kits, let alone Panthers. Go bother those people.

We get it, you don't like them. Go read threads on kits you DO like.
Jmarles
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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 07:46 AM UTC
The reason there are so many Shermans out there is because there are soooo many colour options!: You can choose OD, Sand, sand with brown or black, O.D., whitewash, O.D., O D. and probably O.D.
brekinapez
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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 09:04 AM UTC
It's actually due to the fact that there was quite a bit of variation between versions, more so than with many German tanks.

Or so some Sherman buffs have told me.
Jmarles
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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 10:30 AM UTC
Perhaps both camps may get along when Cyberhobby releases the L/71 -armed Sherman turret on a hybrid initial/late Tiger I. No word on if it will have DS tracks.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 01:44 PM UTC

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The reason there are so many Shermans out there is because there are soooo many colour options!: You can choose OD, Sand, sand with brown or black, O.D., whitewash, O.D., O D. and probably O.D.

And you can have a Tiger in any color you like so long as it's sand, brown, grey or combinations of those three. Same limitation of color palette except it's yellow sand versus brown olive drab. Unless it's in Africa where that brown color is very near brown olive drab matching the uniform of the G.I. next to it in those Life color photos.



And Sherman's are far more likely to have nose art and funny names as opposed to just crosses and numbers and numbers and crosses and the occasional little coat of arms.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 02:04 PM UTC

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There were no 12-bolt road wheels. Initial production vehicles had 16 bolts per wheel, as shown on the ICM kit.


Yep. You are right, I had no time to double check and put 12 instead of 16. The rest of my post remains correct, though.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 - 02:24 PM UTC
Is it only me having problems? When I look at the Main page of the Forums I see that the latest post in some forum is a News item but when I open that forum the News item is nowhere to be seen. This item was visible in the Armour/AFV forum earlier but now it has disappeared. The Katiyusha and the M911 engine from Meng only showed up on the Main page but I was unable to find them in the forums (Russo/Soviet and Armour/AFV respectively). Has something been changed or am I the only one having problems? The editing facilities when commenting directly under the News item are severely limited and I consider this to be a p in the a.
/ Robin

Edit: It wasn't only me. See this post in Network Talk:
http://armorama.com/forums/263471&page=1#2230923
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