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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 02:26 AM UTC
Having a discussion on face book about the same tank. I believe the picture Tamiya used was colorized. If you look at the men, a posed command group they have black boots. The US Army in Korea was still a brown boot army. Black boots are still years away. Every other source I have seen including Zaloga has red eyes and mouth on an OD front plate.

The kit still has molded closed periscopes and molded on grab handles. i'm building the Tasca kit. Its in the stash already.

Tom
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 07:06 AM UTC
David Doyle is a friend of mine and I reached out to him, informing him of the questions surrounding the color photo. He posted the following on FB and on TL. I'm sure he won't mind my posting his words here:

Hi Guys,
I can speak to some of the questions that you have posed.

I supplied the color image under discussion (and some others), as I recall both color and black and white, to Tamiya. Most of these I found at the Archives, others passed along to me by friends.

They are NOT colorized, the images are from the US National Archives. At the archives there is a small, poor color print, and the original color transparency.

I am on the road at the moment wrapping up research for a forthcoming book, so I do no have all the material involved at hand. However, I do have a scan of the print with me me.

I have posted this image, as well as its original Signal Corps caption, at:

https://daviddoylebooks.com/rices-red-devils/

I'll post more images on that page when I get back home.

Personally, I do not believe that there is any black paint on the glacis, rather, I think that the dark areas are olive drab - but that is merely my opinion.

If one considers that on the turret side is stenciled "Rice's Red Devils" - and that Satan is normally depicted in art as red in color - the red artwork is logical (were it Tom's Tangerine Tigers - then yellow would make since).

Hope this helps!

Best,
David Doyl
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Posted: Sunday, November 19, 2017 - 07:46 AM UTC

Quoted Text

David Doyle is a friend of mine and I reached out to him, informing him of the questions surrounding the color photo. He posted the following on FB and on TL. I'm sure he won't mind my posting his words here:

Hi Guys,
I can speak to some of the questions that you have posed.

I supplied the color image under discussion (and some others), as I recall both color and black and white, to Tamiya. Most of these I found at the Archives, others passed along to me by friends.

They are NOT colorized, the images are from the US National Archives. At the archives there is a small, poor color print, and the original color transparency.

I am on the road at the moment wrapping up research for a forthcoming book, so I do no have all the material involved at hand. However, I do have a scan of the print with me me.

I have posted this image, as well as its original Signal Corps caption, at:

https://daviddoylebooks.com/rices-red-devils/

I'll post more images on that page when I get back home.

Personally, I do not believe that there is any black paint on the glacis, rather, I think that the dark areas are olive drab - but that is merely my opinion.

If one considers that on the turret side is stenciled "Rice's Red Devils" - and that Satan is normally depicted in art as red in color - the red artwork is logical (were it Tom's Tangerine Tigers - then yellow would make since).

Hope this helps!

Best,
David Doyl


Thank you!
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