These two were recovered from a ship sunk in Russia back in March of 1945
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZohA-Ssyaw
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Mortifa
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Posted: Thursday, November 30, 2017 - 10:44 AM UTC
Mortifa
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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 08:05 AM UTC
Are those M4A3 (76) or easy eights?
jasegreene
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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 11:10 AM UTC
They must be M4A3 (76) but those are not "Easy Eights".Don't even think the Soviets even got any "Easy Eight" Shermans during Lend Lease.
Pongo_Arm
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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 12:21 PM UTC
They will be M4a2 76s. The Russians took all diesel shermans I believe.
Tankerman
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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 12:25 PM UTC
Yeah, What Greg said. Beat me to it.... 
Mortifa
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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 12:28 PM UTC
Thanks, it would be cool dio-rama from either the deck or them underwater, or partially up.
Bravo1102
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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 04:21 PM UTC
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They will be M4a2 76s. The Russians took all diesel shermans I believe.
Academy and Dragon both make this precise variant as the Russian M4A2 76mm.
Even Italeri has one that was also re-issued in a Tamiya box.
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 07:37 PM UTC
What's curious to me is the shot of M4A1(76)s at the start. They might be from Italy, not Russia, and just glommed on.
KL
KL
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 08:01 PM UTC
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What's curious to me is the shot of M4A1(76)s at the start. They might be from Italy, not Russia, and just glommed on.
KL
Maybe they "needed" an underwater photo of Sherman tanks and they couldn't get one from that Russian recovery so they "had" to use this one instead ...
The underwater tanks in the beginning could even be an intentionally created "wreck" site for divers.
/ Robin
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Friday, December 01, 2017 - 09:08 PM UTC
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Maybe they "needed" an underwater photo of Sherman tanks and they couldn't get one from that Russian recovery so they "had" to use this one instead ...
That was my thought exactly. I was hoping it might have been otherwise.
KL
ALBOWIE
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Posted: Monday, December 04, 2017 - 05:07 AM UTC
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What's curious to me is the shot of M4A1(76)s at the start. They might be from Italy, not Russia, and just glommed on.
KL
The M4A1 76 are from a shipwreck off the north coast of Ireland sunk in June 44 from memory
Al
joepanzer
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Posted: Monday, December 04, 2017 - 06:45 AM UTC
Here's a dumb question.
Why would we still be shipping armor to Russia at that point in the war?
Why would we still be shipping armor to Russia at that point in the war?
ericadeane
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Posted: Monday, December 04, 2017 - 07:04 AM UTC
The Soviets were sent a whole variety of M4A2s -- early DV 75mm gun tanks, mid production 75mm gun tanks, later 47 degree big hatch 75mm gun tanks, 76W gun tanks and 76W gun tanks with HVSS.
The one I'm not sure about is if there were 75mm HVSS M4A2s
The one I'm not sure about is if there were 75mm HVSS M4A2s
KurtLaughlin
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Posted: Monday, December 04, 2017 - 07:33 AM UTC
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Here's a dumb question.
Why would we still be shipping armor to Russia at that point in the war?
The Germans hadn't surrendered yet.
KL
Mortifa
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Posted: Monday, December 04, 2017 - 09:13 AM UTC
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Quoted TextHere's a dumb question.
Why would we still be shipping armor to Russia at that point in the war?
The Germans hadn't surrendered yet.
KL
Yea, plus how long did a ship take at that time to cross the North Atlantic?
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Monday, December 04, 2017 - 12:00 PM UTC
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Yea, plus how long did a ship take at that time to cross the North Atlantic?
Arctic convoys sailed to Russia either from Iceland (in the early stages of the war) or from the UK (mid/late war). The journey from Scotland to Murmansk/Archangelsk took around 8-9 days to complete (one way). This route, however, was the least significant amongst the three main routes (the other two being the Persian Corridor and the Pacific Route) with less than a quarter of the ‘Lend/Lease’ goods delivered to the Soviet Union through it.
Convoys sailing the North Atlantic route were designated either as ‘slow’ (frighters capable up to 8 knots), or ‘fast’ (9-13 knots). Ships faster than 14 knots sailed independently until late ‘43 when the CU (14 knots or faster) convoys were introduced. A ‘fast’ convoy could complete the North Atlantic route in about 2.5-3 weeks.
ReluctantRenegade
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Posted: Monday, December 04, 2017 - 01:00 PM UTC
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The Germans hadn't surrendered yet.
The Soviets continued to receive ‘Lend/Lease’ goods up until the Japanese surrender.
GeraldOwens
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Posted: Tuesday, December 05, 2017 - 03:48 AM UTC
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They must be M4A3 (76) but those are not "Easy Eights".Don't even think the Soviets even got any "Easy Eight" Shermans during Lend Lease.
M4A2 tanks with HVSS (Easy Eight) suspensions were delivered, but quite late. They were photographed in operations against the Japanese in August, 1945. Dimitri Loza's book has some photos of them.
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