Sorry David for wasting your time on this discussion. (Seriously)

. . . . but then again I got flamed on a different thread because I commented about a meaningless title and they assumed I was complaining that they were wasting my time even though I never mentioned anything like that.

I was hoping for some nice breakfeast pictures or recipies. Variety to the Kipper snacks is always a nice thing

Happy New Year, One & All!

I think that Mike has brought up a valid point in his original post in this particular discussion. I also agree with Kurt's view on this topic.

If I may mention, my own personal methods of reading forum posts, not only on this particular site, but ALL of the other modeling sites which I frequent as well. I'm primarily a 1/48 WWII US/Allied aircraft modeler- "I'll read what interests me..."

This means that I'm not going to bother reading an article about the latest 1/35 Tiger or Panther, nor am I going to bother reading about 1/32 or 1/72 aircraft kits. I will delve into some of the earlier WWII (pre-war and up to 1943 or so) German subject matter, but not anywhere near as much as my interest in WWII US/Allied kits are concerned. I will not spend a lot of time on reading the various articles covering the endless Bf.109s, either. I'm very selective with my model-related reading, which is my prerogative.

I have SO much other stuff to read, besides...

A pet-peeve of mine:

There are certain expressions which modelers use ad nauseam, which are:

First there is,

"And, it is a little jewel"...

This expression is invariably used by reviewers when referring to a particular "Ooh & Ahh" model's attributes. C'mon. This tired old cliche is older than Methuselah. Time to come up with something new...

The second expression is,

"I CAN'T WAIT!!!"

This expression is most often used by modelers on EVERY SINGLE modeling site on the planet, when referring to a long-awaited upcoming release. This expression is usually posted by modelers who can't think of anything better to say, but absolutely HAVE to say SOMETHING. WHAT! Are we a bunch of 5-year-olds that "can't wait" for Santa Claus to show up and leave something under the Christmas tree??? JEEZ! It's only a model...

Say what you will; I won't be too awfully concerned about it. These are only my opinions and I won't get involved in lengthy discussions over them...

"How am I gonna find out what I gotta find out if I can't find out what I gotta find out..?

-Chico Marx, from the Marx Brothers' film "Duck Soup"...

All discussion about the title apart, what exactely does it have to do with grammar in the first place? This would be a matter of false labelling or phrasing. But grammar? Yeah I know: Noone likes the smartass

Kippers in ketchup!

MBR was looking for some breakfast images so I thought I would oblige. (A little bit on the raw side don't you think?)



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A thread about embarrassing me?

Thanks folks.....

Michael, I apologize for calling you the grammar police. When you were critical of my post on another site and said no offense, but in essence called me a moron, I took offense. I'm sorry I offended you. I really like this site and have been a member from, almost, the beginning. You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. You bring up some valid points. I guess this subject is not as important to me as it is to you. Again, my apologies....And Happy New Year

Jeff - no apology is necessary. If anything I should apologize to you!

Please know, I started this "Red Herring" thread in order to focus on what I think is a "problem" here on Armorama but I also did it in a way intended to avoid any appearance of focusing on any one person.

Actually there have been 3-4 other similar occurrences regarding subject titles in just the last three weeks. However in each case I chose to take a more polite tone about things. So, as I say, I am the one to apologize.

It all started with my discovery of a thread more than 18 months old that contained EXACTLY the modeling information I had been looking for. Problem was, it was listed under a title that failed to reflected the subject matter being covered. I just happened to stumble across this thread and I was able to convince the gentleman to alter the title - within less than a day, two top modelers here on the site posted to the guy's thread statements as to "how did I miss this thread?"

You might say, "what got me really rilled up" in that instance was that I am now 85% complete on a largely scratch built model; but I now find it has been built completely wrong - simply because I didn't have access to the reference information in the guy's thread 18 months sooner.

I admit I do have a publishing and advertising background which probably makes me more "straight-laced" about such things. However even without this past experience I feel an information sharing site like the KitMaker network needs to have a standard (a requirement even) which says that thread titles will have to properly reflect the information that is being shared. Also I have said as much to Darren Baker the Editor-in-Chief and several other Editors here on the Armorama site.

(I also happen to think the thread should have an opening photograph that reflects the topic.) But now I am getting back up on my "high editorial horse" so I will instead end here.

Thank you for responding.

Mike

I have to agree with Mike on this.
I have a similar approach to subject lines in e-mails.
At my previous employment we all had hundreds of e-mails coming in every day. Making sure that the subject/title conveyed relevant information to answer questions such as: Am I interested in this? Do I have to read it anyway? Can I file it in some subfolder in case I may need to read it later?
was simply courtesy and showing respect for the workload of others.
Titles such as 'Important information' was just plain irritating. Information about what? Important to the sender, to me, to someone else but the sender was too lazy to aim it properly?
A title such as "Major change in user guide for tool xyz" made it possible to decide based on title alone.
I do not use this tool and will not start using it the next 6 months either so I can read the whole user guide then -> trash bin wihout opening the e-mail at all.

"Look what I found" doesn't tell me anything, for all I know it could be fuzz from someones belly button.
"Update set for Tamiya SU-76" on the other hand means something. Those who only build Shermans can skip it unless they need something to spend some time on.
"Ooh, Aah" didn't mean anything either, just a bait to see how many would click on it. Red Herring doesn't mean much either except that it probably isn't something anyone needs to read anyway.
/ Robin

Mike, I agree with you in principle about the titles, but find myself disagreeing with two points-- the first is your "photograph" related to the title. Kitmaker is recognized as one of the most difficult sites to post photos, and old luddites like me will undoubtably have problems with that. The other point I'd like to make is the character limits Kitmaker places on titles-- I've often started to type a fully descriptive title only to find I wasn't able to complete it due to the character limit. So, rather than typing a complete title, I've had to shorten it to fit--- like-- "These are the new Armor releaseas I really like" to "Ooh Aah". Sometimes I think those limits are what gets us Less than useful titles. Although I do agree there are some on this site that do use "cute" titles rather than getting to the point, but there are others who just don't know what to use-- especially among the younger crowd or those new to the hobby. On an unrelated (maybe) note-- when I'm looking for a particular "article" I make use of the site search option, which usually gets me to where I want to go, regardless of the title-- but not always.
VR, Russ

The character limitations and quantum physics-like requirements for uploading photographs deter me from posting pictures here. I'm somewhat computer literate and have no problem posting elsewhere. I still love the site and religiously give $3.49 per month. Great info and great people here.

I am far from a computer expert but I don't see the problem with posting photos on this site. However I do accept that others are having great difficulties in this area.

Armorama (wisely) does not wish to host too many reader photos so we must find a third party to do the hosting. It is a bit more problematic but it is doable.

Cheers!

Yes please make posts that make sense!

Cheers Rob.

While "posting them on another side and just linking here" has some real and potential problems it also has some benefits for the person posting:

a) If one uses the pictures in othere places as well one can do so without having to upload them multiple times

b) If I want I can use a platform that allows high resolution uploads / unlimited storage, push the 20+ MegaPixel original there, no need to scale it. The platforms do a good job scaling for view and allowing (or blocking) downloads

c) If you use more than a phone cam / digital compact chances are you have an account and a matching workflow on a photo platform already established anyway, Ie I can push my pictures directly from Lighroom to Flickr

Jumping back a few posts: I too would request that a few more letter characters (4-5) be allowed for composing a title to a thread. But on the other hand people should be able to meet the challenge of writing an informative but brief title - it just takes a little more effort.

I'm not sure about this-- when dealing with technical names or subjects, sometimes titles can become extremely long. For instance, "Halberstadt CLII Control Rigging" is a rather long title and still may not get the full idea across. I may be looking for the best method to do Halberstadt CLII Rigging in 1/48 scale rather than 1/32 scale, but if the title doesn't say that, I don't really have a choice but to investigate it further. I think what you are asking for is specificity in the title so you don't waste time looking at something you're not interested in, or in finding something specific when doing a search. So the ability to get in a few more characters would be nice-- I'd say add 10 just to cover those SonderKampfWagen SDKFZ mod.III Skediddlefritz's with late roadwheels out there!

VR, Russ

Correct but any attempt (at a better title) has to be better than "Ooh Aah" or even "Red Herring" as a title, wouldn't you say?

You betcha.
VR, Russ

I figured it was a heads up about some troll posting somewhere about a supposed new kit release .... that has no basis in fact. Or a manufacturer saying something is coming out ... that they announced 5 years ago .... TEASE!

Very interesting... 🤔