Almost sure this is Beute, but have no clues on the manufacturer of this big truck.
The other one looks like German, could also be Italian, but what is it?
When you have information on these two, that would be great.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
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Anyone knows the Manufacturer of this truck?
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Sunday, June 16, 2019 - 05:50 PM UTC
Hello. Aa collection of interesting photos is weekly provided on Missing-Lynx. Always looking for exclusive materials, this week I found these 2. All photos come from a German eBay auction.
Almost sure this is Beute, but have no clues on the manufacturer of this big truck.
The other one looks like German, could also be Italian, but what is it?
When you have information on these two, that would be great.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
Almost sure this is Beute, but have no clues on the manufacturer of this big truck.
The other one looks like German, could also be Italian, but what is it?
When you have information on these two, that would be great.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
gaborka
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Posted: Sunday, June 16, 2019 - 08:22 PM UTC
The second one looks like a Büssing-NAG for me. The first one could be a VOMAG variant possibly.
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Posted: Sunday, June 16, 2019 - 08:55 PM UTC
RE: The first one..... Didn't know they had portable toilets back then. Looks like a truck for sucking them out.
Hohenstaufen
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Posted: Sunday, June 16, 2019 - 10:21 PM UTC
I'm pretty sure second one isn't a Bussing, but no idea what either are. They don't have that Germanic look to me and I'm pretty sure they're not Russian. They don't have that complicated hub arrangement most Italian trucks of the period seem to have so I suspect they are French, but don't know the manufacturers.
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Sunday, June 16, 2019 - 10:34 PM UTC
After a little research, I think the tanker might be a French heavy truck, either a Bernard DI 6 C 15 tons or even better a Rochet Schneider, but photos are very rare.
Rochet Schneider tankers. Probably a 455 variant
Bernard DI 6 C 15 tons. The length of the chassis is more convincing to me.
Photos are for discussion purposes and come from this site:
http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_english/Motor_Vehicles/France/Rochet_Schneider/rochet_schneider.html
Maybe H.P. knows more?
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
Rochet Schneider tankers. Probably a 455 variant
Bernard DI 6 C 15 tons. The length of the chassis is more convincing to me.
Photos are for discussion purposes and come from this site:
http://www.kfzderwehrmacht.de/Homepage_english/Motor_Vehicles/France/Rochet_Schneider/rochet_schneider.html
Maybe H.P. knows more?
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
JavierDeLuelmo
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Posted: Sunday, June 16, 2019 - 10:44 PM UTC
Second one is an Austro-Fiat 4 D 90.
First one is french, no doubt, could also be Renault, Berliet... even Bernard but then a model before the "chassis à boutonnières" series. IIRC those rear windows are typical of a brand, but can't remember which of them.
First one is french, no doubt, could also be Renault, Berliet... even Bernard but then a model before the "chassis à boutonnières" series. IIRC those rear windows are typical of a brand, but can't remember which of them.
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Sunday, June 16, 2019 - 10:56 PM UTC
You are right Its an Austro Fiat 4 D 90. Just found it.
Thanks for helping me out on the second one.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
Thanks for helping me out on the second one.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Sunday, June 16, 2019 - 11:00 PM UTC
I also focussed on the rear windows, but no match yet. I'm not sure, but the French Army had a batch of American Heavy Trucks delivered in the mid thirties. Will check for the White I think later tonight.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Monday, June 17, 2019 - 03:09 AM UTC
About the American truck mentioned in the post above. Text with the picture says Deuce and a half, somewhere on the Western front.
This one has the looks of the truck photo I can't find right now.
Is this a White, maybe International build? (Has some looks from the Rochet Schneider too).
Anyone with more material, please show, share or give some comments if you want.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
This one has the looks of the truck photo I can't find right now.
Is this a White, maybe International build? (Has some looks from the Rochet Schneider too).
Anyone with more material, please show, share or give some comments if you want.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
Frenchy
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Posted: Monday, June 17, 2019 - 05:13 AM UTC
IMHO all I can say is that if the first pictured truck is an ex-French Army one, it was probably a requisitioned civilian vehicle (like more than 150 000 other trucks...)
H.P.
H.P.
JavierDeLuelmo
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Posted: Monday, June 17, 2019 - 07:09 AM UTC
This last one is a Berliet VDCN22. A better pic of this nice model:
Frenchy
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Posted: Monday, June 17, 2019 - 07:47 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Anyone with more material, please show, share or give some comments if you want.
What are you looking for, Robert Jan (apart from the first truck ID) ?
H.P.
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Monday, June 17, 2019 - 01:36 PM UTC
Hello H.P. In fact the 2 photos reminded me of the photo, which I can not find now. In a comment they were speaking about an American program to supply France with Miiltary equipment, some were in the Mid Thirties.
When I have the photo and link to that comment I might have some better material to discuss.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
When I have the photo and link to that comment I might have some better material to discuss.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Monday, June 17, 2019 - 05:22 PM UTC
Yes. I found my reference for White producing Trucks for the French Army.
A very nice model.
White 704S
Years of production: 1939 - 1940
4x2 3-ton cargo militarized truck for French Army
Overall production: 1500
(Courtesy of Alex R. Schmidt)
But this photo is still not the one I'm looking for.
I'll keep digging.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
A very nice model.
White 704S
Years of production: 1939 - 1940
4x2 3-ton cargo militarized truck for French Army
Overall production: 1500
(Courtesy of Alex R. Schmidt)
But this photo is still not the one I'm looking for.
I'll keep digging.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
Frenchy
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Posted: Monday, June 17, 2019 - 06:27 PM UTC
The White 704S was ordered in september 1939, along with two other 5 ton trucks :
the Studebaker K25 (2000) :
and the Dodge VH-48 (1500) :
The Army also received about 2000 GMC ACK 353 2.5 ton trucks similar to this one :
The Germans would make good use of them...
H.P.
the Studebaker K25 (2000) :
and the Dodge VH-48 (1500) :
The Army also received about 2000 GMC ACK 353 2.5 ton trucks similar to this one :
The Germans would make good use of them...
H.P.
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 - 02:09 AM UTC
Thanks H.P.
I love the looks of those Studebaker and White trucks from the late Thirties.
Leaves the tanker as not recognized yet.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
I love the looks of those Studebaker and White trucks from the late Thirties.
Leaves the tanker as not recognized yet.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Thursday, September 12, 2019 - 02:41 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Hello H.P. In fact the 2 photos reminded me of the photo, which I can not find now. In a comment they were speaking about an American program to supply France with Miiltary equipment, some were in the Mid Thirties.
When I have the photo and link to that comment I might have some better material to discuss.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
Found my lost picture of the truck, finally...
So if anyone knows more about this beautiful truck, please react.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Friday, November 01, 2019 - 03:44 AM UTC
Push Push!
Anyone awake yet?
What is the brand of this nice truck?
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
Anyone awake yet?
What is the brand of this nice truck?
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
Frenchy
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Posted: Friday, November 01, 2019 - 05:59 AM UTC
Too bad the kid is standing just in front of the front wheel. The rim may have help with ID....
H.P.
H.P.
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Friday, November 01, 2019 - 11:04 AM UTC
Yeah that is a pity. But the steering mechanism is very typical and visible.
It's such a nice photo to watch. Typical scenes from that period.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
It's such a nice photo to watch. Typical scenes from that period.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Friday, November 01, 2019 - 09:16 PM UTC
Found some source. Might find it after all. For the people loving French trucks and cars.... ENJOY
This is a great link! https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=132&t=23596&sid=437f11384253b1c6d037118e5f27438a
Robert Jan
This is a great link! https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=132&t=23596&sid=437f11384253b1c6d037118e5f27438a
Robert Jan
Frenchy
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Posted: Friday, November 01, 2019 - 09:39 PM UTC
The Axishistory forum is indeed a gold mine for German-related reference stuff. Are you talking about the tanker truck in the first picture you've posted or the one in the last ? I'm no expert, but I don't believe the latter one is French...
H.P.
H.P.
SpeedyJ
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Posted: Friday, November 01, 2019 - 11:33 PM UTC
Hello H.P.
I think the tanker is a French truck. Just have to find the special rear windows shapes. The other one, with the kid in front of the hub, I think is a Berliet, not 100% sure yet. Still some 200 pages to go.
Robert Jan
I think the tanker is a French truck. Just have to find the special rear windows shapes. The other one, with the kid in front of the hub, I think is a Berliet, not 100% sure yet. Still some 200 pages to go.
Robert Jan
JavierDeLuelmo
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Posted: Saturday, November 02, 2019 - 01:55 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextHello H.P. In fact the 2 photos reminded me of the photo, which I can not find now. In a comment they were speaking about an American program to supply France with Miiltary equipment, some were in the Mid Thirties.
When I have the photo and link to that comment I might have some better material to discuss.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
Found my lost picture of the truck, finally...
So if anyone knows more about this beautiful truck, please react.
Kind regards,
Robert Jan
That's a Büssing-NAG Type 350, 1933-36 model. The brand logo can be distinguished in the radiator.
Frenchy
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Posted: Saturday, November 02, 2019 - 02:06 AM UTC
Thanks for your decisive input Javier. To me this truck had a "German look", but the early type radiator grill deluded me...
Here's a 1935 Büssing-NAG type 300 :
and here's a race car transporter version (1934) :
R.J.'s insistence has finally paid off
H.P.
Here's a 1935 Büssing-NAG type 300 :
and here's a race car transporter version (1934) :
R.J.'s insistence has finally paid off
H.P.
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