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WW2 German Reversible White Uniform ...
pbennett
United Kingdom
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Posted: Saturday, August 31, 2019 - 08:37 AM UTC
I am planning to incorporate a late Pz.Kpfw.III Ausf.G in a winter setting on the Eastern Front. Would it be appropriate to include crew wearing reversible white uniforms, or would these have arrived after the Ausf.G was in action?
Hohenstaufen
England - South East, United Kingdom
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Posted: Sunday, September 01, 2019 - 08:13 AM UTC
Hi Paul,
I think this is just about possible, but you will need to check whichever unit you are modelling. The Ausf G finished production in early 1941. The Reversible Winter Clothing was first issued in the winter of 1942-3 (probably at first in Mouse Grey rather than Cammo). I suppose it is possible an Ausf G may have survived for nearly two years in combat, long enough to be still serving the following winter. I'm pretty sure I've seen photos of short barrelled (L42) 50mm equipped Pz IIIs in Stalingrad. If you were modelling a Befehlpanzer I think you would be on more solid ground, as these would have lasted longer than a gun tank.
I think this is just about possible, but you will need to check whichever unit you are modelling. The Ausf G finished production in early 1941. The Reversible Winter Clothing was first issued in the winter of 1942-3 (probably at first in Mouse Grey rather than Cammo). I suppose it is possible an Ausf G may have survived for nearly two years in combat, long enough to be still serving the following winter. I'm pretty sure I've seen photos of short barrelled (L42) 50mm equipped Pz IIIs in Stalingrad. If you were modelling a Befehlpanzer I think you would be on more solid ground, as these would have lasted longer than a gun tank.
pbennett
United Kingdom
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Posted: Sunday, September 01, 2019 - 11:08 AM UTC
Steve,
Thanks for that ... it actually confirmed what I originally thought.
I think I may play safe, and have the commander wearing a greatcoat over his jacket, and with a toque under his cap. I already have some standing infantry figures wearing greatcoats, so that will be quite appropriate.
Thanks for that ... it actually confirmed what I originally thought.
I think I may play safe, and have the commander wearing a greatcoat over his jacket, and with a toque under his cap. I already have some standing infantry figures wearing greatcoats, so that will be quite appropriate.
jrutman
Pennsylvania, United States
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Posted: Monday, September 02, 2019 - 01:22 AM UTC
For what it's worth,there are several pics showing a knocked out short barrel PZIV in Normandy! Mid 1944.
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Biggles2
Quebec, Canada
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Posted: Monday, September 02, 2019 - 01:52 AM UTC
Probably the 21st Panzer Div. They still had a couple of older Pz lV's in Normandy, near Caen.
Hohenstaufen
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Posted: Monday, September 02, 2019 - 03:28 AM UTC
Jerry and Biggles, you are both correct. However Paul was referring to a PzIII. I know that 9th SS had a PzIII Ausf E in 1943, but this was for driver training only and was not used in action AFAIK (the Dragon kit includes this marking option). Having said that, 12SS HJ had some Pz IIs, used for recce. In an emergency, training tanks were used in action (e.g. Arnhem).