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ICM: French Zouaves 1914Posted: Sunday, November 17, 2019 - 02:14 AM UTC
Darren Baker takes a look at the latest figure release from ICM in the form of French Zouaves 1914 in 1/35th scale.
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Posted: Sunday, November 17, 2019 - 04:10 AM UTC
Don't you mean "cumberband", and not "coma band"?
I've heard some bands that have really put me into a coma!
I've heard some bands that have really put me into a coma!
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Posted: Sunday, November 17, 2019 - 07:13 AM UTC
I have the old Funcken title about WW2 uniforms which goes into great detail about French North African infantry, showing the walking out dress which is very similar to the uniform shown in this set. They show a blue cummerbund. Incidentally the loops on the front of the jacket have an infill which has significance as the colours refer to the geographical division in French North Africa. Red (as shown on the box art) is for Algeria; white, Oran; yellow, Constantine and blue (same colour as jacket) for Tunisia. In all cases the frogging remains red. The officers medal could have been awarded as a result of service prewar in Africa, the Riff tribesmen being unimpressed by French rule and there were constant skirmishes (these continued into the 1920s). The blue and red officers cap seems to have continued to be worn, even with battledress following issue of the khaki clothing.
Posted: Sunday, November 17, 2019 - 08:21 AM UTC
Thank you for the extra information Steve.
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Posted: Sunday, November 17, 2019 - 09:27 AM UTC
The hat is called a "chechia" which was a kind of floppy fez with a tassel. It is not a cumberbund, but a waistband similar to the Foreign Legion and the alpine chasseurs.
Zouaves were native Frenchmen who lived in the colonies and some battalions were actually raised in Paris and Lyon. The different color in the circle are actually for the different regiments of Zouaves.
The colors were used by the Algerian and Tunisian Tirailleurs to indicate countries of origin. The Tirailleurs wore the same uniform as the zouaves but with a lighter blue jacket, yellow piping and red waistband.
White trousers were worn in summer and all the regiments switched to mustard khaki in 1915. In fact much of that cloth was supplied by Great Britain.
There were only slight changes in the uniform between 1853 and 1915 so with appropriate weapons the figures could be used as Zouaves or Tirailleurs in Crimea, Franco-Prussian War and 1914. Some American Civil War Zouave regiments had uniforms that closely matched the French as well.
Zouaves were native Frenchmen who lived in the colonies and some battalions were actually raised in Paris and Lyon. The different color in the circle are actually for the different regiments of Zouaves.
The colors were used by the Algerian and Tunisian Tirailleurs to indicate countries of origin. The Tirailleurs wore the same uniform as the zouaves but with a lighter blue jacket, yellow piping and red waistband.
White trousers were worn in summer and all the regiments switched to mustard khaki in 1915. In fact much of that cloth was supplied by Great Britain.
There were only slight changes in the uniform between 1853 and 1915 so with appropriate weapons the figures could be used as Zouaves or Tirailleurs in Crimea, Franco-Prussian War and 1914. Some American Civil War Zouave regiments had uniforms that closely matched the French as well.
Posted: Sunday, November 17, 2019 - 10:41 AM UTC
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The hat is called a "chechia" which was a kind of floppy fez with a tassel. It is not a cumberbund, but a waistband similar to the Foreign Legion and the alpine chasseurs.
Zouaves were native Frenchmen who lived in the colonies and some battalions were actually raised in Paris and Lyon. The different color in the circle are actually for the different regiments of Zouaves.
The colors were used by the Algerian and Tunisian Tirailleurs to indicate countries of origin. The Tirailleurs wore the same uniform as the zouaves but with a lighter blue jacket, yellow piping and red waistband.
White trousers were worn in summer and all the regiments switched to mustard khaki in 1915. In fact much of that cloth was supplied by Great Britain.
There were only slight changes in the uniform between 1853 and 1915 so with appropriate weapons the figures could be used as Zouaves or Tirailleurs in Crimea, Franco-Prussian War and 1914. Some American Civil War Zouave regiments had uniforms that closely matched the French as well.
Steven thank you for your input but they were not French Nationals as it would appear that they were originally a tribe that was beaten by the French and agreed to fight for the French. As time progressed men from many different countries joined up due to the great record they had and it only required that the person had 2 years military service. The information on the hat is very helpful.
I also found that many countries raised Zouaves regiments including the US.
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Posted: Sunday, November 17, 2019 - 10:42 AM UTC
Didn't we recently discuss these guys and their "Oh shoot me as I'm ever so colourful" uniforms recently? Could have sworn that we did.
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Posted: Sunday, November 17, 2019 - 10:32 PM UTC
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Quoted TextThe hat is called a "chechia" which was a kind of floppy fez with a tassel. It is not a cumberbund, but a waistband similar to the Foreign Legion and the alpine chasseurs.
Zouaves were native Frenchmen who lived in the colonies and some battalions were actually raised in Paris and Lyon. The different color in the circle are actually for the different regiments of Zouaves.
The colors were used by the Algerian and Tunisian Tirailleurs to indicate countries of origin. The Tirailleurs wore the same uniform as the zouaves but with a lighter blue jacket, yellow piping and red waistband.
White trousers were worn in summer and all the regiments switched to mustard khaki in 1915. In fact much of that cloth was supplied by Great Britain.
There were only slight changes in the uniform between 1853 and 1915 so with appropriate weapons the figures could be used as Zouaves or Tirailleurs in Crimea, Franco-Prussian War and 1914. Some American Civil War Zouave regiments had uniforms that closely matched the French as well.
Steven thank you for your input but they were not French Nationals as it would appear that they were originally a tribe that was beaten by the French and agreed to fight for the French. As time progressed men from many different countries joined up due to the great record they had and it only required that the person had 2 years military service. The information on the hat is very helpful.
I also found that many countries raised Zouaves regiments including the US.
Though originally organized from the Zoudaouas militia of the Dey in 1832 by the time of the Crimean war the native element had almost completely disappeared. Three of five regiments were French and the native regiments were about 3 to 1 Frenchmen to native. By 1914, they were nearly all Frenchmen. (Refer you to L'Armee Franciase by Edouard Detaille)
The US Zouave craze started with the Ellsworth US Zouave cadets of 1860. McClellan admired zouaves in the Crimea and his HQ guards were a NY zouave regiment. (Osprey Elite: American Civil War Zouaves)
Wow, you'd almost think I knew what I was talking about.
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Posted: Monday, November 18, 2019 - 08:30 AM UTC
And just so we're clear: the Zouaves who fought in the American Civil War (mostly for the North) were NOT in any way related to the French Zouaves other than that the Americans adopted their colorful uniforms. That's because when the war started, troops were largely raised by individuals or occasionally state militias to fill state quotas. Some of them procured their own uniforms, as well as the NY Fire Zouaves who joined up as a group and had very colorful uniforms to start out.
As has been pointed out, these bright colors (especially the red coats and fez hats) made good targets. By mid-war, most of the Zouave units had adopted the regular Army-issue indigo fatigue wool blouse and sky-blue kersey pants that other units wore. In some cases individual soldiers retained the fez, but not overall.
As has been pointed out, these bright colors (especially the red coats and fez hats) made good targets. By mid-war, most of the Zouave units had adopted the regular Army-issue indigo fatigue wool blouse and sky-blue kersey pants that other units wore. In some cases individual soldiers retained the fez, but not overall.
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Posted: Monday, November 18, 2019 - 09:02 AM UTC
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As has been pointed out, these bright colors (especially the red coats and fez hats) made good targets. By mid-war, most of the Zouave units had adopted the regular Army-issue indigo fatigue wool blouse and sky-blue kersey pants that other units wore.
Hi Bill
in fact the colorful uniform was replaced in 1915 by the "mustard" one. Only the chechia was retained :
This uniform was worn until the 20's and even after...
H.P.
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Posted: Monday, November 18, 2019 - 09:16 AM UTC
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Didn't we recently discuss these guys and their "Oh shoot me as I'm ever so colourful" uniforms recently? Could have sworn that we did.
You mean this one?
http://armorama.com/forums/281109
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Posted: Monday, November 18, 2019 - 09:20 AM UTC
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And just so we're clear: the Zouaves who fought in the American Civil War (mostly for the North) were NOT in any way related to the French Zouaves other than that the Americans adopted their colorful uniforms. That's because when the war started, troops were largely raised by individuals or occasionally state militias to fill state quotas. Some of them procured their own uniforms, as well as the NY Fire Zouaves who joined up as a group and had very colorful uniforms to start out.
As has been pointed out, these bright colors (especially the red coats and fez hats) made good targets. By mid-war, most of the Zouave units had adopted the regular Army-issue indigo fatigue wool blouse and sky-blue kersey pants that other units wore. In some cases individual soldiers retained the fez, but not overall.
Some US Zouave units also adapted the drill of the French light infantry which was different from standard drill. Some zouave uniformed regiments hung on to their distinct uniforms out of unit pride until the very end of the war. Others adapted standard uniforms only to revert to zouave uniforms when they became available again. And other regiments received zouave uniforms as an award for excellence in drill such as the 3rd NJ in 1864.
A number French zouave veterans served with the US regiments, especially officers.
See Osprey elite Zouave regiment and William C. Davis' books on ACW equipment and units, and Embattled Courage the experience of battle in the Civil War.
The basic zouave/Tirialluers uniform changed little from 1853 to 1914. The ACW uniforms varied in how well they copied the French originals but are close to that worn by many regiments. I need these figures for a Franco-Prussian War diorama.
Posted: Monday, November 18, 2019 - 09:38 AM UTC
I think you will be very impressed with what ICM has offered here Stephen.