Hosted by Darren Baker
New Tamiya Challanger II
Chilihead
Joined: July 03, 2002
KitMaker: 626 posts
Armorama: 456 posts
Posted: Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 10:55 AM UTC
Yep received word from Tamiya today of the new Operation Telic Challanger II. Mrosko
Recon
Joined: October 19, 2002
KitMaker: 1,571 posts
Armorama: 764 posts
Posted: Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:11 AM UTC
When is it supposed to be released?
Recon
Recon
nfafan
Joined: August 01, 2003
KitMaker: 335 posts
Armorama: 315 posts
Posted: Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 02:44 PM UTC
Why????????????????????????????????????
We have at least two Chally IIs in plastic: R-G in 1/72nd and the 3 1/35th versions from Trumpeter (not to mention the Hobbycraft and Airfix re-boxes).
Plus we have the 1/35th resin from AA.
What's next from Tamiya - a Leopold and Karl?
Why not a new-tool Centurian??????????????????????????????
We have at least two Chally IIs in plastic: R-G in 1/72nd and the 3 1/35th versions from Trumpeter (not to mention the Hobbycraft and Airfix re-boxes).
Plus we have the 1/35th resin from AA.
What's next from Tamiya - a Leopold and Karl?
Why not a new-tool Centurian??????????????????????????????
Stormbringer
Joined: January 20, 2002
KitMaker: 1,667 posts
Armorama: 1,116 posts
Posted: Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 07:19 PM UTC
Hi Sabot
The Airfix Challenger 2 (1:35) is a rebox of the ( I believe) original Trumpeter kit,not only that it's more expensive.Also Cromwell models do a resin Challenger 2
.
As for the Tamiya Chally 2 I fail to see the point in doing a kit that there are a minimum of 5( possibly 6 as AA are releasing an Op Telic version) different versions already on sale,especially as the Tamiya kit is liable to cost around double that of the others even though it may be better quality.
Personally I would be far more interested if Mr Tamiya ( I bet he doesn't read this) was to announce a kit of something like any of the following
Gamma goat
Alvis Stalwart
Fv432
Fv433
Fv434
Scammel Commander with trailer.
Just my thoughts
All the best
Pete
The Airfix Challenger 2 (1:35) is a rebox of the ( I believe) original Trumpeter kit,not only that it's more expensive.Also Cromwell models do a resin Challenger 2
.
As for the Tamiya Chally 2 I fail to see the point in doing a kit that there are a minimum of 5( possibly 6 as AA are releasing an Op Telic version) different versions already on sale,especially as the Tamiya kit is liable to cost around double that of the others even though it may be better quality.
Personally I would be far more interested if Mr Tamiya ( I bet he doesn't read this) was to announce a kit of something like any of the following
Gamma goat
Alvis Stalwart
Fv432
Fv433
Fv434
Scammel Commander with trailer.
Just my thoughts
All the best
Pete
MadMeex
Joined: August 07, 2002
KitMaker: 424 posts
Armorama: 0 posts
Posted: Thursday, April 08, 2004 - 11:59 PM UTC
I'll second stormbringer here. This is a rehash of a proven market. Trumpeter took the risk, showed there was money to be made, and now Tamiya is jumping on the bandwagon.
Mika
Mika
shonen_red
Joined: February 20, 2003
KitMaker: 5,762 posts
Armorama: 2,283 posts
Posted: Friday, April 09, 2004 - 12:07 AM UTC
More tanks rolling my stash 
gcdavidson
Joined: August 05, 2003
KitMaker: 1,698 posts
Armorama: 1,563 posts
Posted: Friday, April 09, 2004 - 03:57 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Personally I would be far more interested if Mr Tamiya ( I bet he doesn't read this) was to announce a kit of something like any of the following
Gamma goat
Alvis Stalwart
Fv432
Fv433
Fv434
Scammel Commander with trailer.
Just my thoughts
All the best
Pete
yeah, those'll sell.
DaveCox
Joined: January 11, 2003
KitMaker: 4,307 posts
Armorama: 2,130 posts
Posted: Friday, April 09, 2004 - 04:08 AM UTC
Fantastic:-X . They release something that isn't German or American, so it's modern. Another new kit that won't be arriving on my workbench!
Kelley
Joined: November 21, 2002
KitMaker: 1,966 posts
Armorama: 1,635 posts
Posted: Friday, April 09, 2004 - 04:13 AM UTC
Didn't we do this a couple of weeks back? As far as I'm concerned, "Way to go Mr. Tamiya!!" You guys (or gals) who keep complaining about this it's simple, you don't buy it. As for the Trumpeter kit, yeah it's OK, but I'll tell you what, when the Tamiya kit hits the shelves I'll be picking up at least 1 probably 2 or 3. As far as quality goes even having not seen the kit I don't feel it is a stretch to say there is no way the Trumpeter offering can be better, just look at Tamiya's recent releases. If anyone disagrees hey that's your right, but I'll be happy to trade you my 3 Trumpeter C2 kits for 1 Tamiya C2.
Mike
Mike
DaveCox
Joined: January 11, 2003
KitMaker: 4,307 posts
Armorama: 2,130 posts
Posted: Friday, April 09, 2004 - 04:43 AM UTC
OK, I don't want a Tamiya Chally, so I won't buy it - trouble is I'm running out of things to buy!!! Some of the most interesting armour kits that I still want to make are now collectors items and out of my reach - Italeri Priest, Tamiya M3 Grant (rereleased at the same price as a more up to date kit would be - about £20 UK).
The complaint is that they won't release anything different. If you don't make Operation Telic armour or German ww2 then this year just doesn't have any new releases.
The complaint is that they won't release anything different. If you don't make Operation Telic armour or German ww2 then this year just doesn't have any new releases.
Tommy2Thumbs
Joined: February 01, 2004
KitMaker: 43 posts
Armorama: 42 posts
Posted: Friday, April 09, 2004 - 07:45 AM UTC
Quoted Text
OK, I don't want a Tamiya Chally, so I won't buy it - trouble is I'm running out of things to buy!!! Some of the most interesting armour kits that I still want to make are now collectors items and out of my reach - Italeri Priest, Tamiya M3 Grant (rereleased at the same price as a more up to date kit would be - about £20 UK).
The complaint is that they won't release anything different. If you don't make Operation Telic armour or German ww2 then this year just doesn't have any new releases.
Had a M3 Grant arrive from http://www.hlj.com/ a few days ago. Cost £11 inc delivery. If not they crop up on ebay at around the same price.
Shado1
Joined: July 24, 2003
KitMaker: 211 posts
Armorama: 133 posts
Posted: Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 03:36 AM UTC
Geez, it seems like some of you guys won't be satisfied until Mr. Tamiya calls your house and asks you personally what you want next from Tamiya, and then delivers your custom-made kit directly to you. Gimme a break... 
Anyway, for those of you out there who ARE excited about and interested in this new release, it goes on sale here in Japan May 26, at a list price of 3,800 yen (about $36 USD).
The rest of you really ought to get together and start a "Disgruntled Modeling Consumer's Support Group" or something similar.
Sheesh!
Ahhh, we're all entitled to our opinions, I reckon!
Commence grousing!
Anyway, for those of you out there who ARE excited about and interested in this new release, it goes on sale here in Japan May 26, at a list price of 3,800 yen (about $36 USD).
The rest of you really ought to get together and start a "Disgruntled Modeling Consumer's Support Group" or something similar.
Sheesh!
Ahhh, we're all entitled to our opinions, I reckon!
Commence grousing!
Alpenflage
Joined: May 21, 2003
KitMaker: 1,120 posts
Armorama: 1,002 posts
Posted: Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 09:39 AM UTC
I know I will be picking up a Tamiya Challenger II when it comes out 
Their Challenger I Mk 3 is a fantastic kit !
Gents, dont forget, the new Leopard 2A6 kits are out now in the US
Cheers !!
Alpen
Their Challenger I Mk 3 is a fantastic kit !Gents, dont forget, the new Leopard 2A6 kits are out now in the US
Cheers !!
Alpen
mobilewagon
Joined: April 01, 2004
KitMaker: 14 posts
Armorama: 0 posts
Posted: Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 11:10 AM UTC
when is the japan show?and when is the new rc leopard coming out?choco
mikeli125
Joined: December 24, 2002
KitMaker: 2,595 posts
Armorama: 1,209 posts
Posted: Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 11:30 AM UTC
its not that people are disapointed about it its just that there are a load of other kits out there that tamiya could do really well with but choose to follow someone else now I'll bet that the kit is either £32-£35 over here and that will put some buyers off when they can by 2 trumpeter ones for that and still have change some people still enjoy a kit with a challange
now if they had done a DROPS/432/bedford 4 tonner that would have been a diffrent matter
it will be interesting to see what the hull is like if it still has motor holes in it and the stowage will be like bearing in mind only the foam mats are similar from the new staoge set released by tamiya considering that it goes on relase in 6 weeks I wonder why they havent let out any press shots of the built up kit?
now if they had done a DROPS/432/bedford 4 tonner that would have been a diffrent matter
it will be interesting to see what the hull is like if it still has motor holes in it and the stowage will be like bearing in mind only the foam mats are similar from the new staoge set released by tamiya considering that it goes on relase in 6 weeks I wonder why they havent let out any press shots of the built up kit?
MLD
Joined: July 21, 2002
KitMaker: 3,569 posts
Armorama: 2,070 posts
Posted: Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 11:46 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Geez, it seems like some of you guys won't be satisfied until Mr. Tamiya calls your house and asks you personally what you want next from Tamiya, and then delivers your custom-made kit directly to you. Gimme a break...
You mean he doesn't call you guys and tool kits just for you?
I'm sitting here looking at my 'new' Tamiya Tunguska, PACV hovercraft, IDF Centurion, UHU/Flake 251, 251 w pak40 (/22?), huey Slick, Hind D,E,F, and early model Cobras just trying to figure what I wnat to build first... #:-)
Actaully I'll call him tonight and tell him we (I , since I'm the one he listens to) need a newly tooled T62
And I'm willing to ensure that will happen by spending US$75 on updates and aftermarket for the old one at AMPS next weekend.
Mike
mikeli125
Joined: December 24, 2002
KitMaker: 2,595 posts
Armorama: 1,209 posts
Posted: Saturday, April 10, 2004 - 12:07 PM UTC
Mld,
go buy the stuff or even scratch it you know once you get 1/2 into it they will release it :-)
but to be fair they do have plenty of older kits with could have been re-tooled or even re
done and would have made them a nice bit of the market as soon as you post a what
kit on most modelling site the main kits are cents and US 1/2 tracks now look at revell
and trumpeter, they have parts on their websites were you can submit what you'd like
to see in plastic Tamiya dont which says to me either they are to arogant to listen to the
kit buyer or they really have lost their way and are just following others like sheep hope
I'm wrong but you never know
go buy the stuff or even scratch it you know once you get 1/2 into it they will release it :-)
but to be fair they do have plenty of older kits with could have been re-tooled or even re
done and would have made them a nice bit of the market as soon as you post a what
kit on most modelling site the main kits are cents and US 1/2 tracks now look at revell
and trumpeter, they have parts on their websites were you can submit what you'd like
to see in plastic Tamiya dont which says to me either they are to arogant to listen to the
kit buyer or they really have lost their way and are just following others like sheep hope
I'm wrong but you never know
Wexman
Joined: May 11, 2004
KitMaker: 16 posts
Armorama: 12 posts
Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 04:35 AM UTC
I actually saw a built up test kit at the Tamiyacon. It looks like a typical Tamiya kit. In some ways I was a little let down since it seems like overkill since the Trumpeter kits are pretty good. I suspect that Tamiya is using a lot of parts from their Challenger I, Mk. 3 since the hull is pretty much the same. This would put the kit in a similar level to their new M1A2 OIF where they just added some new sprues. Its just a guess but I know that its a lot cheaper to do something like this than an all new kit.
jimbrae
Joined: April 23, 2003
KitMaker: 12,927 posts
Armorama: 9,486 posts
Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 04:50 AM UTC
Oh dear, getting a little heated here Now I can understand both sides of the argument here, I think that the Tamiya Chally IS superfluous at the present moment due to:
a) The new TELIC Chally from Trumpeter
b) The AA add-on packs which should keep everyone happy......
That said, If it comes up to scratch, then it's welcome, if its a dog then it'll get a raspberry. On the other hand, Tamiya-San is looking at his accounts books and figuring out what is going to sell. A company may sell 20,000 units of a Tiger II, but only 1500 of a Humber AC. Therefore, the Tiger II is going to be produced and reproduced and modified and tweaked ad-infinitum. Tamiya, Dragon et al, are market-driven companies, their market research indicates that a given kit will sell in a given market. Things at the moment are pretty damn good, bit by bit we ARE getting the vehicles we want... Dare I say we should be a little more patient?...Jim
Now I can understand both sides of the argument here, I think that the Tamiya Chally IS superfluous at the present moment due to:a) The new TELIC Chally from Trumpeter
b) The AA add-on packs which should keep everyone happy......
That said, If it comes up to scratch, then it's welcome, if its a dog then it'll get a raspberry. On the other hand, Tamiya-San is looking at his accounts books and figuring out what is going to sell. A company may sell 20,000 units of a Tiger II, but only 1500 of a Humber AC. Therefore, the Tiger II is going to be produced and reproduced and modified and tweaked ad-infinitum. Tamiya, Dragon et al, are market-driven companies, their market research indicates that a given kit will sell in a given market. Things at the moment are pretty damn good, bit by bit we ARE getting the vehicles we want... Dare I say we should be a little more patient?...Jim
viper29_ca
Joined: October 18, 2002
KitMaker: 2,247 posts
Armorama: 1,138 posts
Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 09:29 AM UTC
Lets not forget that Tamiya doesn't make models for the North American market, their #1 market is the Asian market....everything else is just a bonus to them.
They produce kits that will sell well on the Asian market, just happens that they usually sell well here as well. I don't have a Trumpeter Chally 2, nor have I even seen inside the box on one....but I find it hard to believe that the Tamiya one wouldn't go together a little easier and look a little better than the Trumpeter one. Would that stop me from getting a Trumpeter one??? NO....would the cost of the Tamiya one keep me from buying one of those??? NO....Tamiya wouldn't have put it out, if they didn't think they could make a chunk of money off of it.
I too think there should be a re-tooled T-62.....and I am sure we will get one....just have to be patient.
They produce kits that will sell well on the Asian market, just happens that they usually sell well here as well. I don't have a Trumpeter Chally 2, nor have I even seen inside the box on one....but I find it hard to believe that the Tamiya one wouldn't go together a little easier and look a little better than the Trumpeter one. Would that stop me from getting a Trumpeter one??? NO....would the cost of the Tamiya one keep me from buying one of those??? NO....Tamiya wouldn't have put it out, if they didn't think they could make a chunk of money off of it.
I too think there should be a re-tooled T-62.....and I am sure we will get one....just have to be patient.
mlb63
Joined: October 22, 2003
KitMaker: 355 posts
Armorama: 97 posts
Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 09:44 AM UTC
have to agree with stormbringer here only i would like to see 1.daimler(not a dingo!)2.staghound 3.humber (any mark!) 4.centurion
rjray
Joined: December 16, 2003
KitMaker: 230 posts
Armorama: 149 posts
Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 10:33 AM UTC
First off, I don't think Trumpeter took that big a risk, at least as far as investment goes. I suspect that both the Challenger II and AS-90 owe some lineage to the AA kits.
I have the Hobbycraft boxing of the Trumpeter Chal II, and it's nice, but it needs an AA set to make it good, and probably more than that to make it "great". A Tamiya kit may cost as much as $45 and still be a better deal, as far as needing less aftermarket to get to basic level of quality. I'll be buying one when they hit the shelves.
Randy
I have the Hobbycraft boxing of the Trumpeter Chal II, and it's nice, but it needs an AA set to make it good, and probably more than that to make it "great". A Tamiya kit may cost as much as $45 and still be a better deal, as far as needing less aftermarket to get to basic level of quality. I'll be buying one when they hit the shelves.
Randy
Plasticbattle
#003
Joined: May 14, 2002
KitMaker: 9,763 posts
Armorama: 7,444 posts
Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 12:36 PM UTC
Not really getting in on the challenger debate as Im not a modern armor fan but .... thought this might be something to ponder over, when considering how much better tamiya are in quality.
In the FSM readers choice 2003 awards (may 2004 magazine), 1300 readers voted the best 5 new releases of 2003. In order 1 - 5 were; Academy, Trumpeter, Trumpeter, Dragon, Trumpeter. Is the tamiya "quality", considering their price, really attractive to modellers today? While the base kit is improved with AM stuff, no matter how good it is, is it worth saving $20 when one plans to invest for the AM stuff. The recent T55 was labelled the finest kit ever produced, but how many AM sets are already on the market for it. This in turn has hugely increased trumpeters and Esci´s sales, as modellers bought the cheaper version.
Im definately not putting down tamiya as i believe every kit on the market offers us a better choice, but I dont feel the tamiya quality label is justified any longer. Tamiya fans seemed to always knock italeri kits, now they seem to favour knocking trumpeter. Personally i feel trumpeter are the best thing that happened modelling in last few years.
Good luck to both companies .... we all win when theres competition.
Quoted Text
As far as quality goes even having not seen the kit I don't feel it is a stretch to say there is no way the Trumpeter offering can be better, just look at Tamiya's recent releases.
In the FSM readers choice 2003 awards (may 2004 magazine), 1300 readers voted the best 5 new releases of 2003. In order 1 - 5 were; Academy, Trumpeter, Trumpeter, Dragon, Trumpeter. Is the tamiya "quality", considering their price, really attractive to modellers today? While the base kit is improved with AM stuff, no matter how good it is, is it worth saving $20 when one plans to invest for the AM stuff. The recent T55 was labelled the finest kit ever produced, but how many AM sets are already on the market for it. This in turn has hugely increased trumpeters and Esci´s sales, as modellers bought the cheaper version.
Im definately not putting down tamiya as i believe every kit on the market offers us a better choice, but I dont feel the tamiya quality label is justified any longer. Tamiya fans seemed to always knock italeri kits, now they seem to favour knocking trumpeter. Personally i feel trumpeter are the best thing that happened modelling in last few years.
Good luck to both companies .... we all win when theres competition.
Tankleader
Joined: April 29, 2003
KitMaker: 718 posts
Armorama: 684 posts
Posted: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 - 04:15 PM UTC
Hello All,
Why are we arguing over who puts out what kit? Imagine if no kits were being released or just kits from 1 manufacturer. IMHO the more the merrier. Remember all of the complaining when Trumpeter first released the Chally2, the AA released theirs, (nice kit) and their after market items for the Trumpeter kit. Anyway, I need someplace to spend all of this combat pay I'm getting here in Iraq.
Semper FI.
Andy
Why are we arguing over who puts out what kit? Imagine if no kits were being released or just kits from 1 manufacturer. IMHO the more the merrier. Remember all of the complaining when Trumpeter first released the Chally2, the AA released theirs, (nice kit) and their after market items for the Trumpeter kit. Anyway, I need someplace to spend all of this combat pay I'm getting here in Iraq.
Semper FI.
Andy
 |
WEB HOSTING BY
Copyright ©2021 Armorama and Kitmaker Network, a subsidiary of Silver Star Enterprises
All Rights Reserved. Please read our Conditions of Use and Privacy Policy.
All Rights Reserved. Please read our Conditions of Use and Privacy Policy.