You'll understand my confusion given that you wrote:






KL

not to worry; it's just the season. another week and we'll all be back to "normal" - whatever that is!

The rivet counter way of thinking...

I wonder how prevalent this type of thinking is at any design plant or maybe at skunk works? Without experimentation how would anything get created? Yet can be such a no-no at times on here.

I model for the enjoyment of it, I'm a history buff with a fascination for WW2 because both Grandfather's served one was in the desert rats the other landed on the beaches of Normandy. Both died before I was born so I never got to ask them about their experiences, so was interested in the war from that point on before getting into model kits as a child. My first kits were terrible rushed painted wrong but I built them for fun, a few survived and I stripped them and decided to rebuild/improve, why because my skills had improved and it was an old kit I could try new things on rather than a new kit which if my skills were not up to scratch I could end up ruining. I don't build for competitions not yet as my skills are no where near that good compared to the master modellers I see in magazines and on various forums. I model to relax and unwind as well to calm my mind after a week at work I sit down play some music and build away I find it makes me calm and patient and those skills I use in other situations which is a great benefit. When I'm online on Call of Duty WWII I play with the same attitude not to be the best, as there's always going to be someone better, faster, more skilled. I play that to enjoy and improve naturally picking up tips along the way interacting with friends and family who play alongside me. So I use that approach in modelling I build for me and me alone, if I need help or advice I come here for help or various groups on Facebook recently started HK Models new B-17 kit in 1:48 scale and got some help identifying a part and tips with sourcing aftermarket stuff. So I build for my own pleasure to feel a sense of accomplishment at the end of the build will my model be a show stopper? Probably not, will it be 100% accurate? Again no kit is, or can be or else the aftermarket boys would be out of work. Will I have employed all the skills of the masters I follow? Not likely as I'm still improving at my own pace but if I'm happy with my results then that's all that matters.
We're all wired differently so I don't attack anyone here if they have a different opinion to mine or model in a different way from me that's life we're all unique. Happy modelling guys and Merry Christmas hope you got some good kits from under the tree 🎄

Eloquently said. Rivet counters are a great source for those who want to make their kits more accurate. My thought is that we all build kits for our own enjoyment. Some just to finish a kit, others to produce the most accurate build their skill set allows and most of us somewhere in between.

I think that each of us has a subject that we are particularly passionate about where we do count rivets.

This hobby promotes obsessive, compulsive behavior like so many other activities.

I've seen all these same comments on boards for webcomics, art and writing.

It's human behavior.

after re-reading, I believe it is more of a cry for help. can only hope there is a family member, loved one, or neighbor, able to check in and make sure everything is okay.

You have no idea where I work or what I do there.

Nevertheless, the point is that you can do all the experimentation or "quick fun stress-free" builds that you want but please keep in mind that I can do something else. And, more importantly, when I and like-minded folks discuss what we like or what has worked for us, it is not an attack on you. It's just us saying what we like or what has worked.

KL

Hah. That's funny.

KL

Thumbs up!!!!

There is also something like attitude being a human behaving in groups.

Robert Jan

Less sodium, more exercise.
Take care, Merry Christmas,
Don "Lakota"

After seeing this the word hypocrite comes to mind.

Wasn't it you that wrote in the grab handle thread "wasn't there something in the registration agreement about personal attacks? or was that one of those grey areas afforded to the chosen few?"

Of course you've deleted the comment now, along with your other posts in that thread.

Thinking that maybe you need to follow your own advice more, as someone else has mentioned, - less sodium, more exercise.

For your information:
The point at which I might decide that it is time to lock this thread is getting closer and closer ....


Merry Christmas to All of You

/ Robin

Reminds me of this old thread:

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/205697#1725228

Never have anything nice to say? The ONLY other thread of his I ever responded to was this, in which I believe I paid a compliment as well.

https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/199726&page=1#1674537

To save you time it said " Very nice. It's always been my favorite tank as well. You may want to get a different head set for the figures though, as they did not wear that helmet in '73.

Am i being a meanie? I mean, every post started with a positive comment. I learned that both as an SF Senior NCO and a SPED teacher dealing with parents with ED kids. Always start with the positive first.

Amen!

--"I model for the enjoyment of it"--

Great post. Since most of us don't have fame and fortune on the line from building models, what is left other than enjoyment from researching, and learning new techniques, and gazing happily at the finished product? Striving for perfection can certainly be part of that, but imagination and an artistic presentation is important too as we see so often in dioramas that knock our socks off. For me, a model that tells a compelling story that makes it stand out from the pack is of more value than one with a higher level of technical perfection, but no soul for lack of a better word. Your mileage may vary.

One rule to live by, if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

The anonymity of the net allows people to say what they like with no fear of retribution; it is the sucker punch technique of the cyber world. If you would not say something to someone's face, then be a man, suck it up and don't type it either.

On the other side if you post something, don't expect everyone to agree with what you typed. If a comment irks you, drink a cup of cement and harden up. Remember, the 'x' in the top right hand corner of the screen can get you out of any argument before it begins.

since you appreciate talent, check out Kim Marsh's work: http://www.finescalerr.com/smf/index.php?topic=2839.0

he has a dozen threads on that site and more scattered over the internet. his creativity is absolutely fantastic, and all done for pennies. sometimes even less!

That's not the best analogy.

Someone says that, I counter with "how do I fix it?"

Hardening up implies digging in and defending a position at all costs as opposed to being open to other ideas and opinions and the simple fact that you may not be right

No one is perfect. The biggest man is the one who can admit he's wrong and learn from that error. Not the guy who grimaces and insists he's right despite evidence to the contrary.

Be open to criticism. But criticism has to be constructive. It's not enough to lead with the positive, the negative should be phrased in how to improve the work and even where to find the techniques and knowledge on how to get better.

I read and comment on works where the creator feels they have poured intonit their very soul. So everything is how to improve. So tempting to say it sucks. That helps no one.

And often it's praise in public and critique in private. Boards have private message feature. You really want to do a detailed critique? Do it in private and put in everything you know about how to get better, not just what is wrong.

I remember years ago when I was starting and then restarting my various efforts and I got savaged. But it always had how to get better. You're weak in framing panels. Here's a tutorial. Here's a place to find a better font and so forth. ( I use the webcomic example because I can't remember all the advice I got while model building!)

There's a lot of great advice appearing on this site daily. That's why I read it so much. I've been building models for 40 plus years and there's still things to learn or better ways to try to do something.

Be open to learning because it never stops so long as you're willing to pay attention.

"I'm very exacting with my modeling. I enjoy being exacting. It's fun for me to research, to discover how the various gadgets looked and worked, and try to replicate the details. I do this for the sheer fun of it."
Sounds good to me. And I'm already old, working on grumpy, but like the man said, "for the sheer fun of it".

Perfect example of how words can be taken to have different meanings Stephen, and why everyone should always take text with the proverbial 'grain of salt'. Here in Australia, telling someone to 'harden up' is telling them to stop whining or stop throwing a childlike tantrum when you don't like something - the exact opposite of digging in and holding your ground. We also say "build a bridge", as in 'build a bridge and get over it' ....

For us, 'holding ground and defending your position' is said as 'standing up' or 'stand up and be counted'.

Totally agree with your other comments Stephen. All 'experts' started out as learners and people should remember and respect that.

Cheers all.

When Britain and the US were negotiating US support of the British war effort in WW II the expression 'table' a question caused some confusion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_(parliamentary_procedure)

When a Brit said that he was dying for a fag the Americans raised their eyebrows knowingly to signal "We all know what the Brits are like" ....

definitely time to lock it.

Pete's hit the nail on the head - the English-speaking nations are all divided by a common language! Part of being in the global online community is developing both a tolerance for what might seem to be abrasive language, and an ear for new phrases that use our old terms in decidedly different ways. (Just look how the kids describe cool things as "sick"...)

But I do like that "build a bridge" phrase - I can see myself injecting it into the UK lexicon...

"The octopus scheme was the standard German camouflage as of March, 1945"

Discuss.

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