i was browsing some models because my birthday is coming up. i dont know really anything about the differences in armors other than there are tanks, tank destroyers, etc.
i mostly try to buy/build armor that looks cool to me, over historical significance etc.
onto my question, i really like the look of tank destroyers, like the m18 and the marder III ausf M, so when i came across the Tamiya Nashorn, i was in my glory as to how it looked.
However, i found the price to be almost twice higher than marder III ausf M from tamiya. they are both the same scale, 1/35, but one was like 40 dollars and the other was 70. my question is why is it so much more. is it significantly larger? if that is correct? is it typical that a bigger model would make such a huge difference in price.
i still will probably get it for my birthday because i love the way it looks, but i am very curious as to why such a big price difference
sorry for the silly question
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nashorn so expensive?
youpey
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Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 01:41 AM UTC
Armorsmith
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Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 01:48 AM UTC
I may be mistaken but I believe that kit comes with a metal barrel and perhaps PE.
goldnova72
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Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 02:16 AM UTC
Price could also depend on the age of the kit . Tamiya have lots of kits in the $25 - $40 range but they were all released back in 70s - 90s , Tamiya tends to keep older stuff in production . IRC the Nashorn is fairly new ( 2018 ? ) with the 3d scanned crew figures , that explain the price difference
youpey
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Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 02:17 AM UTC
interestingly, tamiya's site has the information on the length of the model.
the marder 3 is about 6 inches long and the nashorn is 9 inches long, so it is quite a bit bigger.
that makes me want it even more. i dont know where i would display a model so big, but i think that is the model i will get for my birthday
the marder 3 is about 6 inches long and the nashorn is 9 inches long, so it is quite a bit bigger.
that makes me want it even more. i dont know where i would display a model so big, but i think that is the model i will get for my birthday
Grindcore
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Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 02:51 AM UTC
Check Amazon, I got one for $51 Prime a few months ago.
Also, check out Andy's Hobbies on You Tube. He built one up, looks awesome.
https://youtu.be/gI7CBkbXB4M
Also, check out Andy's Hobbies on You Tube. He built one up, looks awesome.
https://youtu.be/gI7CBkbXB4M
Biggles2
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Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 03:09 AM UTC
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Check Amazon, I got one for $51 Prime a few months ago.
Yeah, good price, but how much was the combined price with shipping? Many times I see interesting prices but totally ridiculous shipping charges.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 03:23 AM UTC
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sorry for the silly question
Still new, please bear with me
No silly questions. I've been pondering similar questions for decades.
Cost-of-models questions appear time to time but they are continue to be interesting to read.
I will offer something to consider although it probably is not applicable to giants like Tamiya.
At the IPMS 2019 show last August, I sat in on the presentation by the President of Zoukei-Mura. Fine speaker and very entertaining. He did mention the cost of his kits. He is retired and said he is funding Zoukei-Mura with his retirement; he said, "For those of you who think our models are too expensive, we sell every one of them at a loss."
Years go on Steel Navy a model maker was defending the price of his new kit: 20 sprues; tooling cost $20,000/sprue; how many did marketing estimate they would sell; amortization and other business things I don't understand.
At MasterCon about 20 years ago, the Tamiya USA rep said USA & Europe are only about
Grindcore
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Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 03:56 AM UTC
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Quoted TextCheck Amazon, I got one for $51 Prime a few months ago.
Yeah, good price, but how much was the combined price with shipping? Many times I see interesting prices but totally ridiculous shipping charges.
$51 + tax, so like $54, delivered in 2-3 days.
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youpey
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Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 05:15 AM UTC
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Check Amazon, I got one for $51 Prime a few months ago.
Also, check out Andy's Hobbies on You Tube. He built one up, looks awesome.
https://youtu.be/gI7CBkbXB4M
Amazon does have a vendor selling it for 52 dollars but it's not from Amazon. it's a foreign 3rd party seller and it says its 1 month before it would arrive. honestly, I dont mind paying 20 dollars more to support a lhs in my state over one in another country. I have seen 3 hobby stores close down completely in my area over the last 10 years or so, and who knows what will come with the current condition.
Scarred
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Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 05:55 AM UTC
Tamiya Nashorn kit #35335 released 2014.
A review of the kit by a guy that almost reminds me a bit of Vincent Price, if Vincent Price built models.
https://youtu.be/5X-vrkb0n3k?t=285
Tamiya kits have been, historically, more expensive than other manufacturers especially Dragon. But they were usually better quality kits.
If you go to scalemates.com and search for Nashorn you can see more reviews and some aftermarket goodies for the kit.
A review of the kit by a guy that almost reminds me a bit of Vincent Price, if Vincent Price built models.
https://youtu.be/5X-vrkb0n3k?t=285
Tamiya kits have been, historically, more expensive than other manufacturers especially Dragon. But they were usually better quality kits.
If you go to scalemates.com and search for Nashorn you can see more reviews and some aftermarket goodies for the kit.
Grindcore
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Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 05:59 AM UTC
Scalehobbyist has it for $70 shipped thereabout.
https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagories/Military_Vehicles/nashorn-heavy-tank-destroyer/TAM00035335/product.php?pg=1&ppp=48&sb=stocknumber&so=a&kw=nashorn&man=TAM
https://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagories/Military_Vehicles/nashorn-heavy-tank-destroyer/TAM00035335/product.php?pg=1&ppp=48&sb=stocknumber&so=a&kw=nashorn&man=TAM
Jmarles
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Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 06:23 AM UTC
You have to remember the Marder III has been out almost twenty years now. It's also a lot smaller. The Nashorn has a lot more parts so therefore more expensive tooling. It also has some metal elements for the gun elevation. It's in the same price range as some smaller Takom or Miniart kits, so I wouldn't say it's overpriced.
PanzerKarl
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Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 06:59 AM UTC
We need more Nashorns/Marders/Hummels,I think there is enough Panthers and Tigers at the moment.
babaoriley
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Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2020 - 09:28 AM UTC
Older kits usually have fewer parts, and lack features like PE sheets or metal barrels and so on, so they cost less to produce. Their design and tooling costs were also paid off long ago, and demand for them has probably dropped off in favor of newer and more detailed kits. So it makes sense a kit designed thirty or forty years ago would be less expensive.
Still, the price of some new kits makes me gulp. I'll often wait, and shop around until I find a less expensive source rather than pay the price of a new, high-profile kit everyone is after.
Or I go to the local IPMS show, buy a bunch of raffle tickets, and win more kits than I'll ever have time to build, that works too. Hopefully such events will return while I'm still able to navigate under my own power.
Still, the price of some new kits makes me gulp. I'll often wait, and shop around until I find a less expensive source rather than pay the price of a new, high-profile kit everyone is after.
Or I go to the local IPMS show, buy a bunch of raffle tickets, and win more kits than I'll ever have time to build, that works too. Hopefully such events will return while I'm still able to navigate under my own power.
dwnrng44
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 06:21 AM UTC
Interestingly, the Tamiya Nashorn released in 2014 has a MSRP of $87.00. The Tamiya Hummel, released in 2019 has a MSRP of $64.00. These kits are basically the same for comparison and include figures and even with new tooled parts the Hummel is cheaper. Similar story with the Tamiya M-51 Sherman. Released in 2012, it has a MSRP of 71.00. The M4A3E8 from 2018 is $54.00 MSRP. Again basically the same vehicle with new tooled parts.The economic conditions at the time of release usually dictate price.But for better or worse,the release MSRP seems to stick around through time also.When the kit you want is from a high cycle, you have to be more patient and wait for a sale or a deal at a show.
phil2015
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 08:23 AM UTC
Dragon makes a Nashorn also. Any thoughts about that kit?
youpey
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 08:48 AM UTC
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Interestingly, the Tamiya Nashorn released in 2014 has a MSRP of $87.00. The Tamiya Hummel, released in 2019 has a MSRP of $64.00. These kits are basically the same for comparison and include figures and even with new tooled parts the Hummel is cheaper. Similar story with the Tamiya M-51 Sherman. Released in 2012, it has a MSRP of 71.00. The M4A3E8 from 2018 is $54.00 MSRP. Again basically the same vehicle with new tooled parts.The economic conditions at the time of release usually dictate price.But for better or worse,the release MSRP seems to stick around through time also.When the kit you want is from a high cycle, you have to be more patient and wait for a sale or a deal at a show.
thank you so much for pointing that out. i hadnt realized it was basically the same. i like the gun better on the nashorn, but not 20 dollars better
brekinapez
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 08:50 AM UTC
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Dragon makes a Nashorn also. Any thoughts about that kit?
Don't buy the first release as it has issues. Get one of the more recent releases, like the 3-in-1 kit. Look on ebay for better pricing as well.
Biggles2
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 10:47 AM UTC
This may be of interest:
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/review/5313
Unfortunately there are no figures included, but these by Tristar are excellent:
http://www.internetmodeler.com/2006/january/figures/tristar_007_build.php
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/review/5313
Unfortunately there are no figures included, but these by Tristar are excellent:
http://www.internetmodeler.com/2006/january/figures/tristar_007_build.php
youpey
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 11:56 AM UTC
i dont know why, but i always find tamiya to be the best for me. i have built afv club kits and others, but i always find the tamiya instructions and fit to be the best, even if they arent the most historically accurate.
if i get stuck on something or have a rough time with a kit, i typically put it away and it never gets finished. that rarely happens to me with tamiya kits
if i get stuck on something or have a rough time with a kit, i typically put it away and it never gets finished. that rarely happens to me with tamiya kits
phil2015
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 12:06 PM UTC
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i dont know why, but i always find tamiya to be the best for me. i have built afv club kits and others, but i always find the tamiya instructions and fit to be the best, even if they arent the most historically accurate.
if i get stuck on something or have a rough time with a kit, i typically put it away and it never gets finished. that rarely happens to me with tamiya kits
I know exactly what you mean. I've just been thumbing through the Tamiya list thinking about what to do next. I kind of need a relaxing build.
chefchris
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 12:25 PM UTC
Regardless of make or even scale. The Nashorn kits have high count parts and large pieces which translate to a higher production and sales price. I ONLY really order from HobbyEasy. Daniels price on the Tamiya kit is 40 and 45 for the Dragon 4in1 kit. Even after shipping its affordable. I just ordered the Miniart SLA T54APC with interior for 44bucks; maybebit will be here in June HA! I hope everyone is well and getting in a bunch of bench time....
Chris
Chris
nsjohn
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 12:30 PM UTC
In the UK the price is roughly the same. Wonderland have the Nashorn @ £54 and the Hummel @ £49. I suspect that the stock levels of Nashorn is less than Hummel,as it is now sometime since they did a production run, and therefore it is becoming rarer to find in the USA.
I am also baffled at the relative price of Tamiya and Dragon. In the UK Tamiya is much less expensive than Dragon, sometimes to the extent of being half the price.
I am also baffled at the relative price of Tamiya and Dragon. In the UK Tamiya is much less expensive than Dragon, sometimes to the extent of being half the price.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2020 - 01:17 PM UTC
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...I hope everyone is well and getting in a bunch of bench time....
Chris
Nope. Essential worker here.
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