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D-Day: Red Storm over Europe, Soviet Rear TroopsMaki
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Posted: Monday, September 21, 2020 - 10:23 PM UTC
D Day Miniature Studio released a new vignette in the box depicting Soviet troops with spoils of war.
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maartenboersma
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Posted: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - 01:47 AM UTC
Next ,a rapeing figures set
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Posted: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - 06:22 AM UTC
Crude, but true. And while it's also true that such activity did (and still does) occur in war zones, it's no less crude to offer a set of figures that appears to revel in those acts. I wouldn't buy this set even to use the figures for another purpose.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - 08:19 AM UTC
Cool figures, and interesting topic.
Of course some people forget that the Germans launched a massive, genocidal war intending to starve millions and enslave millions of survivors.
Of course some people forget that the Germans launched a massive, genocidal war intending to starve millions and enslave millions of survivors.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - 12:20 PM UTC
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Cool figures, and interesting topic.
Of course some people forget that the Germans launched a massive, genocidal war intending to starve millions and enslave millions of survivors.
I agree. A great set of imaginative figures that I will definitely purchase. D-Day always comes up with unique sets!
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Posted: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - 01:43 PM UTC
Ah looting at its finest! It almost looks like the circus is in town. My dad told me once that at the end of the war he came across a group of Soviet troops who had looted porcelain toilets and were taking them back home with them. Along with anything that caught their eye. Good times for some...the vanquished kept a low profile and counted their blessings.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 - 10:41 PM UTC
Disgusting composition and plot!!! Maybe it's better for Pavel to blind how German officers fed babies to pigs in Belarus or how a German soldier shoots a woman with a crying baby in her arms? In a tolerant Europe, everyone would have perceived this story adequately.
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Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2020 - 11:17 PM UTC
Dmitri, sorry but I don't understand, explain me the difference between looting soldiers and the German crimes you mentioned. Why you think I am blind, I am from Poland, we perfectly know german crimes here and soviet too. Relax! Treat it like a soviet version of "Kelly's Heroes"
Tonkoe_Lezvie_Sna
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Posted: Friday, September 25, 2020 - 05:04 PM UTC
Waiting for a set "Black storm over USSR", depicting Germans burning civilians alive in house, or torturing and hanging civilians that hides partisans. Without such a set, this set is a pathetic hypocrisy.
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Posted: Friday, September 25, 2020 - 10:29 PM UTC
D-day Miniature studio can offer whatever they want. It is its right.
We Have also the right to buy or not the set (I personally won´t buy it).
D-Day Miniatures currently offers aproximately 20 germans sets and none of them present any misconduct. Even in the SD (SS Security Service) set, the german are defending themselves (SD in Ambush, Occupied Europe 1939-44).
They only offer 1 soviet set (there is also the LWP set, that even if part of the soviet army they are really polish not soviet) and they are presented plundering.
I think it is clear where the sympaties of the studio are.
We Have also the right to buy or not the set (I personally won´t buy it).
D-Day Miniatures currently offers aproximately 20 germans sets and none of them present any misconduct. Even in the SD (SS Security Service) set, the german are defending themselves (SD in Ambush, Occupied Europe 1939-44).
They only offer 1 soviet set (there is also the LWP set, that even if part of the soviet army they are really polish not soviet) and they are presented plundering.
I think it is clear where the sympaties of the studio are.
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Posted: Friday, September 25, 2020 - 10:51 PM UTC
Certainly a difficult subject. While this scene is historically accurate there is no counter-balancing set I know of – someone did a group of Germans grouped round an abandoned piano but that is hardly comparable. Perhaps this is a good opportunity for MiniArt to show the other side of the story?
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Posted: Saturday, September 26, 2020 - 04:58 AM UTC
Hi men, i like so much these figures and this figures idea, in particular i like the ones drinking and the one with sheep jackets...perhaps the ones with gilet, and necktie wear too much civil clothes for me , but the story is the story....and i dont understand, personally , the problems with the sculpt of russian soldiers looting berlin......the war is war....and the story is the story......ansd all of us , of each country we are, knew the germans did during 2ww......but here we are speaking of modelism......Pavka realized this figures and we, as usually, will buy or no them if we appreciate them!!!!
Pavka realize many soldiers of particular period and army: belgian , dutch , romanian,anzac ww1,polish, legion condor ecc ecc that personally dont prefer...but however , i appreciate his sculpting skills and the profundity he give them ....,then , if he realize more of 20 figures of germans in 2ww is becouse the market isnt it????
I have many of his figures; lrdg, british, volksturm, many germans,polish, british first war , and the only kit of us figures he realized.....and for this i ask again to Pavka : please...realize a group of us soldiers in 2ww or ardenne , or normandy, or where you want but please realize same......i am waiting for them from when you start , and i bought your first kit of german 2ww para!!!!!
Ps: i ll buy for sure these four russian soldiers ...i like them.
Mario from Italy.
Pavka realize many soldiers of particular period and army: belgian , dutch , romanian,anzac ww1,polish, legion condor ecc ecc that personally dont prefer...but however , i appreciate his sculpting skills and the profundity he give them ....,then , if he realize more of 20 figures of germans in 2ww is becouse the market isnt it????
I have many of his figures; lrdg, british, volksturm, many germans,polish, british first war , and the only kit of us figures he realized.....and for this i ask again to Pavka : please...realize a group of us soldiers in 2ww or ardenne , or normandy, or where you want but please realize same......i am waiting for them from when you start , and i bought your first kit of german 2ww para!!!!!
Ps: i ll buy for sure these four russian soldiers ...i like them.
Mario from Italy.
Pavka
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Posted: Saturday, September 26, 2020 - 08:50 PM UTC
I sculpted this set as fictional characters based on a true history. My attempt to this soldiers is ironic and symbolic and so some parts of their clothing are a bit fictional and intentionally extravagant like two neckties, top hat or Buddionovka cap. This is something like Soviet version of "Kelly's Heroes" movie characters. I can not see the relationship between this guys and terribble nazi crimes and hope that I have not to say that I am not glorifying nazis through this set. Only idiots can think so. Cheers!
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Posted: Saturday, September 26, 2020 - 10:17 PM UTC
I really like it... personally I always like caricature and this kind of thing, some cartoonish look,like in 54mm Beneito also do, many hornets head have also that look
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2020 - 07:06 AM UTC
Hi Pavka, as i wrote, i like so much these your new figures, but, usually, i like so much your sculpting way...now you are speaking ogf Kelly heroes.......AMERICAN SOLDIERS...but there is the possibility you ll sculpt them or do you have in your pipe-line project the ideas to realize a group of us soldiers in Ardenne or in Normandy or same where???
Obviously mine is only a questions!!!!
Congratulations
Mario from Italy.
Obviously mine is only a questions!!!!
Congratulations
Mario from Italy.
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2020 - 07:47 AM UTC
"It was the Western Allies’ extreme good fortune that the Russians, and not themselves, paid almost the entire ‘butcher’s bill’ for [defeating Nazi Germany], accepting 95% of the military casualties of the three major powers of the Grand Alliance. At the same time, the Germans suffered three-quarters of their wartime losses fighting the Red Army," writes British historian and journalist Max Hastings in "Inferno: The World at War, 1939-1945”.
Unfortunately looting accompanies every war actions. Yes, it happened. But it was not only one nation doing, it was a personal choice of each man. And not all of Russians were looters. If you are rooting for historic truth, you better learn it first. It has famously been said about WWII soldiers that certain countries fought for certain things: Britain fought for Honor, Russia fought for the Motherland, Americans fought for Souvenirs. Where are the other nations’ looting miniatures? Where are the Germans sets with well-known crimes and atrocities as primary war aggressor? German troops certainly did rob their way across occupied Europe at least.
As I can see on D-Day Miniatures website none of German sets, including famous SS present any misconduct at all. Same for British, US, Dutch, Belgian, French, Polish, Romanian, Hungarian, Anzac, Arab miniatures which ALL look as decent as it could be in the war time. But I couldn’t find any set depicting Soviets in any other way rather than in belittling and negative as band of alcoholics, robbers and marauders. That’s certainly the way how it looks even if you didn’t intend so. And the irony is inappropriate here.
I found it unfair and offensive to present Russian soldiers as looters, almost criminals. I do believe that all forces participated in The Big Three (Grand Alliance) deserve their respect. Otherwise it looks like nowadays political agenda to shape a public opinion regarding the position of Russians in WWII and to diminish their role as main force participating.
It’s a shame the company allowed such improper set to be released. I do not agree that it’s company’s right to create their own history. They should take a moral responsibility towards the next generations as well if they are taking aboard such ideas for their business.
Lest we forget.
Unfortunately looting accompanies every war actions. Yes, it happened. But it was not only one nation doing, it was a personal choice of each man. And not all of Russians were looters. If you are rooting for historic truth, you better learn it first. It has famously been said about WWII soldiers that certain countries fought for certain things: Britain fought for Honor, Russia fought for the Motherland, Americans fought for Souvenirs. Where are the other nations’ looting miniatures? Where are the Germans sets with well-known crimes and atrocities as primary war aggressor? German troops certainly did rob their way across occupied Europe at least.
As I can see on D-Day Miniatures website none of German sets, including famous SS present any misconduct at all. Same for British, US, Dutch, Belgian, French, Polish, Romanian, Hungarian, Anzac, Arab miniatures which ALL look as decent as it could be in the war time. But I couldn’t find any set depicting Soviets in any other way rather than in belittling and negative as band of alcoholics, robbers and marauders. That’s certainly the way how it looks even if you didn’t intend so. And the irony is inappropriate here.
I found it unfair and offensive to present Russian soldiers as looters, almost criminals. I do believe that all forces participated in The Big Three (Grand Alliance) deserve their respect. Otherwise it looks like nowadays political agenda to shape a public opinion regarding the position of Russians in WWII and to diminish their role as main force participating.
It’s a shame the company allowed such improper set to be released. I do not agree that it’s company’s right to create their own history. They should take a moral responsibility towards the next generations as well if they are taking aboard such ideas for their business.
Lest we forget.
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2020 - 10:49 AM UTC
OMG.... are 4 well sculpted figurines people,calm down,you like it? buy it...you dont? then dont!..."moral responsibility towards the next generations" 99.999999999999% of this stuff are purchased by people over 30's who already know the history very well,if you want to really do something about the "moral responsibility towards the next generations" stop to buy stuff made from country who denies human rights, freedom of speech etc .... but no they make good kits and politically correct...
is what my wife calls "selective morality"
is what my wife calls "selective morality"
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2020 - 12:05 PM UTC
WWII isn’t a Marvel universe where you can enjoy the simplicity of well sculpted fiction figurines. It’s a real history and twisting it creates ideology. Wouldn’t be the same with Iron Man and Thanos. That’s the meaning of responsibility manufacturer should think about before release. Not to mention disrespect for one of allies.
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2020 - 12:37 PM UTC
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WWII isn’t a Marvel universe where you can enjoy the simplicity of well sculpted fiction figurines. It’s a real history and twisting it creates ideology. That’s the meaning of responsibility manufacturer should think about before release. Not to mention disrespect for one of allies.
I dont see any fictional,looting happened,also any disrespect,it's not write any were only Soviet or all Soviet soldier done that,it's a episode and also very well documented,ideology it's created by fake propaganda,this can only hurt feelings...you can put pretty much every national on that vignette but Soviet was probably the most famous for that
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2020 - 07:33 PM UTC
This has gone far enough... this isn't a place for political debates.
These are scale figures and represent an unfortunate part of any conflict in the history of mankind. Don't try to force political correctness into the discussion.
Mario
These are scale figures and represent an unfortunate part of any conflict in the history of mankind. Don't try to force political correctness into the discussion.
Mario
Dmitri
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2020 - 08:44 PM UTC
The news about this set hit the news coverage of the central Russian TV channels. Unfortunately, the D-Days company did not receive honor and respect.
https://www.1tv.ru/news/2020-09-26/393974-v_polshe_vypustili_nabor_soldatikov_gde_boytsy_krasnoy_armii_predstavleny_pyanitsami_i_maroderami
https://yandex.ru/efir?stream_id=4c318359d4997844bd663667b2a18ba7&from_block=player_context_menu_serp
https://yandex.ru/efir?stream_id=423ae3240691a4f68aeb92f0f2a24d0f&from_block=player_context_menu_serp
https://www.1tv.ru/news/2020-09-26/393974-v_polshe_vypustili_nabor_soldatikov_gde_boytsy_krasnoy_armii_predstavleny_pyanitsami_i_maroderami
https://yandex.ru/efir?stream_id=4c318359d4997844bd663667b2a18ba7&from_block=player_context_menu_serp
https://yandex.ru/efir?stream_id=423ae3240691a4f68aeb92f0f2a24d0f&from_block=player_context_menu_serp
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Posted: Sunday, October 04, 2020 - 09:05 PM UTC
I agree completely.
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Posted: Sunday, October 04, 2020 - 09:33 PM UTC
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Disgusting composition and plot!!! Maybe it's better for Pavel to blind how German officers fed babies to pigs in Belarus or how a German soldier shoots a woman with a crying baby in her arms? In a tolerant Europe, everyone would have perceived this story adequately.
Dear Dmitri,
Having respect for your feelings, I guess that you should see this more as a subject that tries to give us some “more funny” subject.
I can not imagine that it is supposed to offend somebody.
Looting is part of every war: I have seen countless examples during my Bosnian missions. It was done by all armies and civilians from all sides, without exemption.
Maybe we should start a campaign where we build trucks (and trains?) full of civilian goods, which are brought tothe rear to fill officers private houses or warrying parties’ musea?
There are plenty photos on the web, one showing even a private car on the back of a German AFV.
Again, you are right that not only Soviet troops looted.
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Posted: Monday, October 05, 2020 - 02:01 AM UTC
Never question the victor's version of history.....
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Posted: Friday, October 09, 2020 - 08:03 AM UTC
Hi,
Anyone here wants to predict what's going to happen if somebody releases figurines of some poor downtrodden persons looting Amazon store in Portland few weeks ago?
What's going to happen then? You don't know? Let me guess. All those "politically neutral hobbyists" will demand boycotting the company and call for banning them from everywhere.
Tell me that's my fantasy. But you can't if you still have a bit of common sense. Lots of examples over the Internet!
And those people now saying this is normal and just "funny". No, this release is not normal. And not funny
Anyone here wants to predict what's going to happen if somebody releases figurines of some poor downtrodden persons looting Amazon store in Portland few weeks ago?
What's going to happen then? You don't know? Let me guess. All those "politically neutral hobbyists" will demand boycotting the company and call for banning them from everywhere.
Tell me that's my fantasy. But you can't if you still have a bit of common sense. Lots of examples over the Internet!
And those people now saying this is normal and just "funny". No, this release is not normal. And not funny