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im a englishman, and your speaking my language, so get it right!
cheers
joe
I was talking 'OSTRALIAN' not 'inglissh' :-)
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MrRoo
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Posted: Friday, June 25, 2004 - 03:36 PM UTC
I was talking 'OSTRALIAN' not 'inglissh' :-)
Grumpyoldman
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Posted: Friday, June 25, 2004 - 03:49 PM UTC
LOL....LMAO......
Yous guys (that's New Joisey for you guys) kill me, we went from WW2 guntrucks, to nam gun trucks, back to WW2 guntrucks, with my wise ass remark about WW1 gun trucks, to ICE POPS!!!!!!!
LOL stilling laughing.....
good thing no one mentioned Creamsicles....... LOL LMAO
as I sit here eating my Ben and Jerries Chuuby Hubby ice cream at midnight.....LOL
Yous guys (that's New Joisey for you guys) kill me, we went from WW2 guntrucks, to nam gun trucks, back to WW2 guntrucks, with my wise ass remark about WW1 gun trucks, to ICE POPS!!!!!!!
LOL stilling laughing.....
good thing no one mentioned Creamsicles....... LOL LMAO
as I sit here eating my Ben and Jerries Chuuby Hubby ice cream at midnight.....LOL
bracomadar
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Posted: Friday, June 25, 2004 - 04:23 PM UTC
Yall ain't said nothin' (that's Southern 
) about a fudgescicle yet :-)
) about a fudgescicle yet :-) 
MrRoo
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Posted: Friday, June 25, 2004 - 05:16 PM UTC
:-) this thread just shows what a humourous bunch of people we all really are dispite being different nationalities.
bracomadar
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Posted: Friday, June 25, 2004 - 07:33 PM UTC
Cheers to that Mr. Roo 
The world is a better place with good humor I think.
The world is a better place with good humor I think. 
DaveCox
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Posted: Friday, June 25, 2004 - 07:51 PM UTC
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Cheers to that Mr. Roo
Like the old service saying:
"If ya can't take a joke, ya shouldn't have joined up"
JeffGunn
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Posted: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 - 06:56 PM UTC
Ok !!!!!! A gun-truck in anyones thinking must mean a truck with a gun on it...irrespective of it use or vintage. Now if you are talking about a truck mounted with a gun to protect convoys! a much better dscription would most likely be Armed Escort Vehicle.....the term Guntruck being used as an design designation by any military organisation (even the americans) is highly unlikely. Therefore as I see no Nation/Unit/Formation can actually claim copyright over the term Guntruck..... I say use it how you wish. I have even heard americains claiming they invented body armour ?????? dont tell the greeks, romans, and I am sure many before that!!!!
GunTruck
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Posted: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 04:27 AM UTC
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Therefore as I see no Nation/Unit/Formation can actually claim copyright over the term Guntruck..... I say use it how you wish.
Um - not quite. "GunTruck Studios" is the name of my modeling company and is copyrighted. I also own the international domains guntruck.com and guntruck.us.
Gunnie
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Posted: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 04:44 AM UTC
Technical question - This was designed for airfield defence. Would this constitute a guntruck? I'm not being pedantic, just curious...Jim 
JeffGunn
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Posted: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 04:52 AM UTC
looks like a truck with a gun to me...so must be a guntruck (note Gunnie, I used a small g) 
MrRoo
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Posted: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 05:55 AM UTC
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Technical question - This was designed for airfield defence. Would this constitute a guntruck? I'm not being pedantic, just curious...Jim
Jim to me the basic truck is of standard design. But the rear deck area and weapons, while designed for airfield defence, were 'add ons' to suit a particular type of job.
So I would call this one a 'gun' truck myself, and still very much a softskin type vehicle.
GunTruck
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Posted: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 08:32 AM UTC
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Technical question - This was designed for airfield defence. Would this constitute a guntruck? I'm not being pedantic, just curious...Jim
No. Guntruck is a recent term that applies to US Vietnam-era armored convoy escort vehicles and the missions these crews undertook. Recent US Army modifications in Iraq also fall into this definition. Others have gleefully incorrectly extended the term to anything on wheels that carries a gun. I've stated this before - so I won't bore anyone else with another explanation...
Gunnie
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Posted: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 09:05 AM UTC
True Gunnie, term only applies to vietnam and newer vehicles...ww2 trucks with guns were specalized as AA guns or like that last photo...airfield protection...vietnam and newer guntrucks arent for anti air fire...cause there really isn't an airforce in iraq or was much of one in Vietnam. Their strictly convoy patrol...right?
I gues the closest thing would be the M8 or M20 or JEEPs with MG's mounted
At least thats the way I see it.
I gues the closest thing would be the M8 or M20 or JEEPs with MG's mounted
At least thats the way I see it.
GunTruck
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Posted: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 11:59 AM UTC
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True Gunnie, term only applies to vietnam and newer vehicles...ww2 trucks with guns were specalized as AA guns or like that last photo...airfield protection...vietnam and newer guntrucks arent for anti air fire...cause there really isn't an airforce in iraq or was much of one in Vietnam. Their strictly convoy patrol...right?
I gues the closest thing would be the M8 or M20 or JEEPs with MG's mounted
At least thats the way I see it.
Yes - "gun truck" is a historical term applied only to the Vietnam and current US Army and USMC vehicles uparmored for convoy escort missions.
Kleenex is a tissue - but not all tissues are Kleenex...
Gunnie
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Posted: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 12:14 PM UTC
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Yes - "gun truck" is a historical term applied only to the Vietnam and current US Army and USMC vehicles up armored for convoy escort missions.
Kleenex is a tissue - but not all tissues are Kleenex...
Gunn
Right you are Gunnie. The Gun Truck was born out of necessity in late 1967. We needed more convoy security. The MP's were way over tasked and you could not rely on air support all the time. We lost many trucks and personnel in the early years because we had very little fire support. We could expect to be ambushed on just about every convoy in the beginning. Our Commanders took it upon themselves to build the harden convoy security vehicle to be known as the Gun Truck in about Sep 1967. Our first security truck was an old 2 1/2 ton with 2x6 planks and sand bags. It was armed with two M-60's. Later on we got some boiler plate and began to cover the cargo bed sides with it. It progressed to the double wall constructed 5 tons that have been modeled here. Our 8th Group Commander mandated that we paint all Gun Trucks black as a form of intimidation. The Harden convoy concept was born. Today the Army has adopted this concept and has intergrated it in to the transportation convoy system. They are teaching this concept at Ft. Eustis Va. to the Officers and NCO's.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 12:26 PM UTC
Sorry fellas. Aside from enjoying the semantic wrestling match goin' on, I am really enjoying hearing our good Gunnie's voice again!!.....not to mention another compadre of mine animal!.....
I know you guys are having a serious(?) discussion, but I just wanted to take the time to say that first..........missed both of you guys lately.....
Anyway. Back to your thread.
"...They are teaching this concept at Ft. Eustis Va. to the Officers and NCO's...."
Are they also teaching this to our men in the field who are in harm's way?
Tread.
GunTruck
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Posted: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 01:00 PM UTC
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Sorry fellas. Aside from enjoying the semantic wrestling match goin' on, I am really enjoying hearing our good Gunnie's voice again!!.....not to mention another compadre of mine animal!.....
I know you guys are having a serious(?) discussion, but I just wanted to take the time to say that first..........missed both of you guys lately.....
I've missed being away from Site too 'Tread. I'm presently working on another commission - and am finding (making) more time to surf through the Site. A Captain at Fort Eustis has commissioned me to build a miniature of "Eve of Destruction". Hopefully, I'll get to see a bit of the current training the solders are getting with the hardened convoy concept during the course of my modelling.
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"...They are teaching this concept at Ft. Eustis Va. to the Officers and NCO's...."
Are they also teaching this to our men in the field who are in harm's way?
Dave probably has more insight here than I do - but I sure hope they are!
Gunnie
JeffGunn
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Posted: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 06:27 PM UTC
I am comming to the end of a tour in Iraq operating with US forces (yes I am a Brit).I commanded an American Forces protection team. Guntrucks was NOT a phrase used in theatre....vehicles normally HUMMVs armed with .5 cal/SAWs/Mk19 Grenade Launchers witch were employed on escort duties where generally refered to as Gun ships, Gunships, Gun-ships...yes I know here in Baghdad we are surrounded by land and HUMMVs dont float but there you go. It seems to me that the sticking point is over the position or lack of a hyphen in a word. Perhaps we should seek advice from the the Concise Oxford English Dictionary or an Expert in English Grammar.
LogansDad
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Posted: Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 10:44 AM UTC
Sorry to ressurect this old thread, & I'd like to make it clear up front that I am NOT challenging the expertise of our Gunnie & Animal, in whose shadows I bow & grovel ...
I just though you might enjoy this tasty little tidbit I spotted while at the Pershing Museum in West Point-
Interressant, nest ce pas?
The caption ( which I swear shows up in my LCD but is for some reason cut off on the screen
) tells that this is an armored Truck & motorcycle used in Protecting supply trains durin the Mexican-American wars.
Sorry about the oblique angle of the shot, I had to do this to prevent the flash from obscuring the Photo.
I just though you might enjoy this tasty little tidbit I spotted while at the Pershing Museum in West Point-
Interressant, nest ce pas?
The caption ( which I swear shows up in my LCD but is for some reason cut off on the screen
) tells that this is an armored Truck & motorcycle used in Protecting supply trains durin the Mexican-American wars. Sorry about the oblique angle of the shot, I had to do this to prevent the flash from obscuring the Photo.
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