What are the differences between the Tigers of these two battalions? I have the Revell 1/72 Tiger I H that's been collecting dust because I lost one of the Feifel air filters. As far as I know if I follow the instructions I'll get a 501 Tiger and I think all 501 Tigers have the Feifel air filters installed.

If I remove the filters, remove the filter hoses, remove the spare track links on the turret, remove the exhaust shields, transfer the headlights to the top and retain the narrow front fenders will I get a reasonably accurate 502 Tiger? Can I use the kit-supplied red turret numbers and black crosses or do I have to look for alternatives?

Thanks!

type german armor on google search, and i think its the 2nd place ya look and it has all the german armor used in ww2

reb

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/panzer.htm

reb

Lord Pollinator

See this thread for a discussion.


https://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/35190&page=1

It all depends on what type of tiger you have ...Does it have 2 pistol ports on the turret or one pistol port and an escape hatch? 501 tigers didn't have spare tracks on the side of the turrets ..but some 502's did ..does it have the normal type front fenders or are they the early type ?
The 502 recieved pretty much all types of tigers ,so it all depends on what period and what type you want to build ...From the first initial tigers all the way to the late tiger.
The numbering system changed alot in the 502 but they never had large red and white numbers that is for sure ..This was typical only of the 501 tigers.. at first white out line only ...during the winter of 1943 a single black digit was used . Then in the spring they only had 14 tigers left so the number from 1 to 14 in large white numbers then when re-equiped with new tigers the went back to a more normal system of three numbers (quite small near the front of the turret...1st company was white ,second company black ..third ..I'm not sure at that time ,but in 1944 I do know the numbers were larger and red with white outline for the third company ..So just pick a time frame and go for it ...I have a picture where you can see through the worn paint and make out three different styles of markings on one tank .. (page 21 of Tiger I on the Eastern Front.)
hope this helps and if you need any info just ask.

Rick

Thanks guys! Can't believe I'm beginning to count rivets on a Braille scale Tiger

The kit has the pistol port on the right rear of the turret instead of the later escape hatch. It also has the early narrow front fenders. There are no attachment points for the side fenders. The turret stowage bin is the hard-edged type and not the softer-edged type like the one on the Leningrad captured Tiger.

I think Tuga posted this link in one of the previous posts http://www.panzernet.com/articulos/descripciones/tiger1ini/tiger1ini_ppal.htm . It's an excellent photo description of the 502 early Tiger but since I don't really trust Google's translation I'm looking for other opinions. It seems I have to cut off the spark guard thingies from the exhausts and also remove the air filters and the hoses leading to the engine. Good thing because I found out last night that I lost ALL filters and hoses. And I don't even have a carpet!!! I don't know if the radio operator's MG turret has to be reshaped. I won't be rearranging the tools on the hull anymore because Revell in their infinite wisdom molded them in place. The tracks have to be sanded down too because early Tigers had a different track pattern. And do I really have to weld a horseshoe on the glacis?

Thanks!

If you want to translate something from spanish maybe i can help you, or someone from spain like Jimbrae .

For this tiger it would be a really good help if you settle into a month and year of prodution, and if you have any pictures of the special modifications that the company made then that would be all you would need.

with the 501 tiger you will have to change the fanders with some of th folding kind. the headlights would be about the easiest. It just depends on how far you would like to take it.

Oooops sorry, made a mistake. The fender would not need to be replaced. it would be difficult because the 502 tigers had a very different tool arrangment. the side skirts would not be used either. some of those tigers did not have the horseshoe on them but it would be easy to make. and they had no air cleaners. the rear mud wards would need to be separated from the corner that connects them with the side skirts. and of course the mammoth.....

Browsing the Tiger I Mods List on ML http://missing-lynx.com/panzer_facts/pftiger.htm I'll zero in on a Tiger produced on or before Aug 1942 when 502 was sent to Leningrad. If Google's translation is correct then this text from Panzernet says that four Tigers along with four Panzer IIIs of the 502 were sent to Leningrad on Aug 1942:

A continuación vamos a intentar detallar las características principales de los primeros Tigre I que fueron enviados al Frente del Este a mediados de 1942. Para ello nos vamos a remitir al texto del excelente libro sobre el Tiger I de Osprey Military, publicado en España por RBA y escrito por Tom Jentz y Hilary Doyle. En su página 22 dice: “Por orden directa de Hitler, dada el 23 de Julio de 1942. Cuatro Tiger I, junto con cuatro PzKpfw III Ausf N de 75mm, salieron hacia el frente el 19 y 20 de agosto, fueron asignados a la 1.Kompanie/ Schwere Heeres Panzer Abteilung 502, llegaron al frente e inmediatamente entraron en combate en Mga cerca de Leningrado el 29 de agosto de 1942.

Because the invisible carpet monster munched my filters then the latest I can go is Oct 1942 because the filters were installed on Nov 1942. Looks like I have to start looking for an unwanted Panzer III baggage bin.

Ah the famous Darius elephant. I'll worry about the elephant later. If I can't make one I'll just place a jerrycan on the area and no one will be the wiser

If you look at the missing lynx constructive comments someone has just posted a very nice early tiger with all the corrections needed for a very early (initial 502 tiger)...Very well done in deed.

Rick

Coincidence? There's no such thing. The truth is out there

Thanks a lot Rick! Now I can proceed.

My 2 cents... and I'm no Tiger guru, but after some research on the net, I'd consider these mods are needed to the RoG 501 "Tunisian" Tiger for one of the 6 502 "Leningrad" Tigers in country by 8/30/42 , turret numbers 100, 101, 111, 112, 121, 122; ...

No hull side track guards or hull-side track cable.

No Feifels or Feifel hoses.

No exhaust shields, or exhaust "flash hider" baffle plates at top of exhaust pipes. A centered hole instead, at top of exhaust pipe. Maybe add a flapper cap if desired that flaps inwards, towards the other exhaust pipe.

Add anti-skid "diamond treadplate pattern" to two curved front fenders.

No rear fenders or rear hull mounted toolbox. Unsure as jack mounted at rear of hull, or tow cables over hull deck.

Add 2 equidistant peep holes above driver's visor (when visor opens up, it half covers the 2 peep holes, when visor closed, driver uses the 2 peep holes).

Turret numbers are white outlines.

Large hull side crosses, centered in hullsides about in line with turret rear. Color profile leads one to believe white-outline, hard to tell in real B&W photo if also has black interior to cross.

Small white outline "Mamut" mammoth symbol to left/outer-side of hull MG.

For modeling Tiger 100, need the "custom" turret-side-mounted storage bin. Plus add custom spare track holders - 2 parallel brackets - on surface front hull.

For Tiger 111, 121 need a PzIII or IV rear turret bin mounted on turret rear flush with turret top or halfway down turret rear.

Use the PzIII bin for Tiger 101, and add Tiger 100-style front hull track holders.

For Tigers 112, 122???? - either no storage bin or a Tiger storage bin with 2 side angle straps on each end of bin to hold to turret surface.

If no storage bin, consider a rather large white-outline "Mammoth" div symbol centered on rear turret face.

Panzer Gray and NO ZIMM! WooHoo!

JMHO!

So it's a toss-up between finding a PzIII or PzIV bin and hand-painting the Mammut (shudder). Will do Tiger 101, 111 or 121 if I can find a spare bin. Where did Tiger 100's bin come from?

as of my knowledge, from reading tigers in action, I'm pretty sure fiefels were commonly beat up, and wre commonlly removerd and taken off by crew members, or falling off, I don't know for sure, but if this is true you could get away with a missing fiefel, or both for that matter.

Hey I know that Tamiya has a mamoth decal on one of their decal sheets ..If you need the number of the decal sheet I can find it for you ... They might still be available ...

Rick

Thanks Rick but I'll be doing it in 1/72 scale

For your ? on the Tiger 100 side-turret bin... go here;

http://www.panzernet.com/articulos/descripciones/tiger1ini/tiger1ini_ppal.htm

Be advised that it's in Spanish. Even babelfished, it's a tough read.

Scroll down and you'll come across the color profile of Tiger 100 showing the side-mounted custom bin with the rounded edges.

Below that is the B&W pic of same, also notice the Mamut on the turret rear.

Directly below that pic is a line drawing of the custom bin taken from a Japanese Groundpower issue. Looks to me like it's almost the height of the turret sides, flush with the turret roof, kinda shallow, and has two straps on each end to affix to the turret sides...

Below the bin drawing is a pic of the other side of Tiger 100 - notice the empty bin brackets on the other turret side.... You'll need to do 2 of these bins, one for each side. (But at least you cover the holes in the turret walls that RoG kindly gave us to fill!)

As you were scolling the site, you'll notice the Japanese captioned drawing of the various other bins possible on the early Leningrad Tigers - PzIII, PzIV, basic Tiger bin - all with side straps to help affix to the turret. That's what I may do, just add straps to the included bin and call it done or just forget the bin entirely.

Anyway, if you scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page you'll see the Groundpower's that inspired the article on that site.
HTH
Steve

Jeep....

Why don't you save yourself alot of heartache and go on Revell-Monogram's web site and have then send you a replacement part? I got a set of wheels and a canopy for an F4F Wildcat and it cost me next to nothing. HTH

Chief

I would if I could Chief but methinks Revell only delivers to the US and Canada. Besides it's cheaper to buy an entirely new kit

We're reading from the same website Steve! Work was called off yesterday because of flooding. My unlucky wife had to report to work though so I had the whole day to myself :-) Here's my progress on the bin so far:









Found out that Tiger 100's bin is easier to scratchbuild than the complicated PzIV bins the others used. I made the bin from an old Coke can. Anyone have pics from the top? Is the bin flush against the turret or this there a space in between? I also started sanding out the details on the hull and engine deck. The exhaust tops were also cut off and are now waiting for the caps.

Looks great John! An inspiration!

And IMHO, I'd bet that the custom bins were probably somewaht flush with the turret roof.

Thanks Steve! Will need to craft the cover and bottom, add straps two on each side, and I'm almost done. The bin is attached using white glue for now. Will use CA when it's finalized.

Next biggie will be the Mammut