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Dioramas: Vietnam
For Vietnam diorama subjects or techniques.
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New Vietnam Seals & VC diorama (pictures)
lestweforget
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Victoria, Australia
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Posted: Monday, September 06, 2004 - 02:11 PM UTC
G'day Csago.
Next project for me?
its gonna be a convoy dio with AFV clubs Nancy guntruck, a gunjeep, and an M35 cargo version.
Will deffinelty try out that grass in the dio, and look to yours for inspiration, once again an absulutely great job!
cheers
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Posted: Monday, September 06, 2004 - 02:40 PM UTC
Thanks for the tip with the hemp rope. I have been using it awhile now for doing thatch roofs. I will try to get the little extra detail with the hot water. i also have the heki wildgrass coming. I have seen a few dios done with it and have been impressed with it. This application of yours is wonderful. Cheers Kevin
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Kikladhes, Greece / Ελλάδα
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Posted: Monday, September 06, 2004 - 04:40 PM UTC
well after all nice tips u wrote would it be good to share ur water technique to see if its diffewrent (material and pouring, colouring) and time of planting stuff into water .

Costas
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Posted: Monday, September 06, 2004 - 05:41 PM UTC
What more can I add .... totally excellent. There are great builders and painters everywhere, but the layout on your two seal dios has lifted it to a higher level. The whole layout is so natural and 100% realistic. Cant wait for the next one!
csago
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La Rioja, Spain / España
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Posted: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 10:17 AM UTC

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well after all nice tips u wrote would it be good to share ur water technique to see if its diffewrent (material and pouring, colouring) and time of planting stuff into water .

Costas



Thank you Costas.

About the water, is clear poliester resin named "Cronolita" from Plastiform S.L. (Madrid), just resin here and hardener 2% there, no more items.

First, seals the bottom of your dio with several layer of varnish, PLEASE NEVER USE FOR BOTTOM EXPANDED POLIESTIREN (white "cork" used for packed everything) BECAUSE THE RESIN EAT IT ALL. You can use natural cork, as I do.

Paint the bottom in a green-brown color; then put the hardener into the resin, and some drops of acrilic paint of Tamiya till you like the look of the "water". Put the first resin layer on the dio NEVER MORE THAN 3-5 MM LAYER (or the heat with eat everything), and LET IT DRY 24 HOURS . DO NOT TOUCH.

Repeat the operation, but with less drops of paint each time, and the last layer just clear, no paint.

The riples can be made in the last layer when the resin begins to pouring.Use a wood stick or something like this, and use natural references.

The riples around the legs of my seals were made with a stick "picking" upside down several times, but do no break the resin too much.

All the figures, docks, plants, etc.. must be glued prior to the making of the resin. Things like little leaves on the water can be put into the resin when it´s "fresh".

THE RESIN DON´T LIKE WATER, SO NEVER PUT YOUR DIO WITH FRESH RESIN INTO THE GARDEN BY NIGHT ¡¡¡¡¡

THE RESIN SMELLS VERY BADLY, SO TAKE CARE, OPEN THE WINDOWS AND USE PROTECTION ITEMS.

That´s all folks...

Good luck.

P.S. IS GOOD TO MAKE A TEST IN A DETACHABLE LITLE DIO TO PRACTIC WITH POURING TIMES.


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Posted: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 06:25 PM UTC
Casgo is correct.

I read an online article once by a diorama builder who made water. He tried railroad, acrylic, and resin "water" mixes.

He said clear resin makes the best "water," but is one of the most toxic resins out there. He didn't elaborate so maybe resin casters here can explain in more detail. Perhaps the chemicals used aren't used in ordinary opaque resins.
Major_Goose
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Kikladhes, Greece / Ελλάδα
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Posted: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 06:35 PM UTC
Well CSAGO thanks for replying so full. Manyh people can use the tips u provide, and after my tries with water can certify that is the right way to do it .
Costas
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Posted: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 - 09:42 PM UTC
csago:

Great tips, but even greater dio. Brilliant!

csago
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La Rioja, Spain / España
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Posted: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 05:39 AM UTC

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Casgo is correct.

I read an online article once by a diorama builder who made water. He tried railroad, acrylic, and resin "water" mixes.

He said clear resin makes the best "water," but is one of the most toxic resins out there. He didn't elaborate so maybe resin casters here can explain in more detail. Perhaps the chemicals used aren't used in ordinary opaque resins.



Well, the resin I use (clear poliester resin "Cronolita") smell badly, but you can put your "river" at your kitchen by night, as I did, when my 3 little boys and my wife were sleepping. So if you open the window, the problems of smelling are reduced to a minimum (I´m still happy married after two dioramas with such a resin ¡¡¡¡¡¡).

I suppose that´s good for other clear poliester resin, or the famous "envirotex" the masters modellers use in USA.

Thanks
Sealhead
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Posted: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 - 08:04 PM UTC
Your dio is awesome and inspiring. What I like most is your figures have a truly natural pose. For some reason so many dio figures look stiff like I often see the model railroad modelers do.
Your figures are perfect!
Also, for some reason, I am a scenery freak (see my feature "Supertree...) and your vegetation is superb.

Sealhead
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Posted: Monday, August 18, 2008 - 12:26 PM UTC
wow amazing diorama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i love it
i love the figures and the grass and the vc trap!

how did you get the vc figure?
210cav
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Posted: Monday, August 18, 2008 - 01:39 PM UTC
Nice job!
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Posted: Monday, August 18, 2008 - 01:54 PM UTC
hi csago..very nice dio! i like the asian water buffalo and plants. the water looks convincing. thanks for sharing. ed
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Posted: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 - 12:43 AM UTC
very nice
04090
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Posted: Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 08:51 AM UTC
04090
well i have to agree you must have put a lot of time in
the planing and it is just grate but what have you used for the water
as it looks the part,
yours cyril




Marty
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Posted: Saturday, October 17, 2009 - 01:58 PM UTC

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04090
well i have to agree you must have put a lot of time in
the planing and it is just grate but what have you used for the water
as it looks the part,
yours cyril

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I do not know what the OP used but if it were me I would have used Castin' Craft's clear casting resin.
csago
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Posted: Sunday, October 18, 2009 - 10:02 AM UTC

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04090
well i have to agree you must have put a lot of time in
the planing and it is just grate but what have you used for the water
as it looks the part,
yours cyril







For the water I used a cear poliester resin named here in Spain "cronolita" (resin with 2% of hardener), from "Plastiform S.L.", a company based in Madrid; but you can use "envirotex" too or any of the other clear poliester resins.

Thank you

Santiago
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