Only one, a Blue Tank Hi-speed tractor, or at least that is what the boxtop said was inside! I thought "I can build anything, I'll just replace whatever is wrong". All in all it was a humbling experience, albiet an incomplete one to this day!
Rick Cooper
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clovis899
#155
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Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 07:59 AM UTC
sgtreef
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Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 08:57 PM UTC
No I have never given up either just slowed down a little maybe done something else for awhile but no never gave up once building starts I will finish it soon or whenever. 
sfilak
Joined: August 11, 2002
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Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 09:20 PM UTC
Never gave up on an armor model, but I have to admit, there was more than one aircraft model that has CFIT (controlled flight into terrain) off of my workbench! The only tank I've ever built that wound up getting 'stalled' was the Italeri M109. I wound up building a bunch of extra details into it, and then wound up unhappy with the paint job. It's still packed away in a box on my shelf, but I will get to it eventually..........
demodelbouwer
Joined: April 13, 2002
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Posted: Saturday, August 10, 2002 - 11:19 PM UTC
Padrino,
I know your problem.
I've build recently an Opel Blitz from Italerie and for what the hull concerns your right.
But there is hope.
At first when you assemble it you have to correct the dashboard.
It is too big for it. So you have to cut away the outer edges to make it fit properly.
Second : dont assemble the radiator !!! This is also to big.
When you do or did the complete hull structure won't fit.
In my case i left this behind.
There there is the probem with the roof.
When you assemble it there is a ugly looking ridge.
Just put it together and let it dry. Then cut the ridge away and use sand paper to smooth it down. fill the gaps with putty. Set aside to let that dry again. Then take the sand paper again and smooth it down. This must give you a nice hull . It worked for me.
Within a few day's or weeks Jim will put an article of this Blitz of mine on this site with the complete workshop how i did it.
hope i helped you out.
Cheers Eric
I know your problem.
I've build recently an Opel Blitz from Italerie and for what the hull concerns your right.
But there is hope.
At first when you assemble it you have to correct the dashboard.
It is too big for it. So you have to cut away the outer edges to make it fit properly.
Second : dont assemble the radiator !!! This is also to big.
When you do or did the complete hull structure won't fit.
In my case i left this behind.
There there is the probem with the roof.
When you assemble it there is a ugly looking ridge.
Just put it together and let it dry. Then cut the ridge away and use sand paper to smooth it down. fill the gaps with putty. Set aside to let that dry again. Then take the sand paper again and smooth it down. This must give you a nice hull . It worked for me.
Within a few day's or weeks Jim will put an article of this Blitz of mine on this site with the complete workshop how i did it.
hope i helped you out.
Cheers Eric
Roadkill
Joined: June 09, 2002
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Posted: Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 01:53 AM UTC
Well, I wished I could say that I never given up, but Friday id did 
I took my Sherman to my club and I was kind of proud of it too since it was my first kit over 15 years and my first airbrush project.
I knew that there were a lot of mistakes, but hey, don't try don't learn right? The model was for 90% finished, I just wanted to ad a couple of scratches and some mud.
Well that was the plan, but,
man, they shot me down! Nothing was good, the assembly was bad, the paint was wrong,.... short said, It was declared boring.
They give me some pointers but at the end of the night I was fed up and throw the damn thing in the trash.
My wife has salvaged it and is trying to get me started again, but for now I hade up to here
Ah, better luck next time ....
I took my Sherman to my club and I was kind of proud of it too since it was my first kit over 15 years and my first airbrush project.
I knew that there were a lot of mistakes, but hey, don't try don't learn right? The model was for 90% finished, I just wanted to ad a couple of scratches and some mud.
Well that was the plan, but,
man, they shot me down! Nothing was good, the assembly was bad, the paint was wrong,.... short said, It was declared boring.
They give me some pointers but at the end of the night I was fed up and throw the damn thing in the trash.
My wife has salvaged it and is trying to get me started again, but for now I hade up to here
Ah, better luck next time ....
Bodeen
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Posted: Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 03:25 AM UTC
Ronny....listen man....you're modelling for yourself and not all of those anal retentive jerks who shoot you down if one rivet is out of place. If they tried to give you constructive criticism that's one thing, but, if they played "Joe Professional" with you and were just plain mean..that's something entirely different and WRONG! Most people in this hobby are very cool and and are willing to share thier expertise and techniques..there are, however, people who don't remember that first model that they built and how "wonderful" it was. If we want to get kids into this hobby we need to be encouragers and helpers not a**holes. I model to relieve stress and to create something that makes me happy. I had the greatest compliment for a kid who saw my collection yesterday...he just thought they were the neatest things. Was everything perfect..I don't think so..but he didn't know that. KEEP ON MODELLING MY FRIEND! Practice makes perfect..I've been modelling for 30 years and I ain't perfect yet! OH YEAH! I did give up on a model(s)...Airfix's Monty's Humber..what a bear...nothing fit right ,any Lindberg car that I've ever tried to build has ended in the trash AND more than one Revell 1/32 plane has gone bye byes to the great aifield in the sky.
arawata
Joined: January 23, 2002
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Posted: Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 11:09 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextTauro A7V WW1 tank. I did, in a fit of insanity, pick up another.
Oh, you sick boy. You need help. Never, never, buy Tauro.....ain't the track just great to make and watch crumble when you touch it?
Ouch! Now you're scaring me.
I have one of these unopened in my cupboard. What were your experiences with this monster?arawata
210cav
Joined: February 05, 2002
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Posted: Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 08:04 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextQuoted TextTauro A7V WW1 tank. I did, in a fit of insanity, pick up another.
Oh, you sick boy. You need help. Never, never, buy Tauro.....ain't the track just great to make and watch crumble when you touch it?
Ouch! Now you're scaring me.
arawata
My experience in building the Tauro A7V. Extremely difficult to find reference material. However, I just came across an Osprey series book that details the interior...too late for me. The fit is terrible. The upper portion of the vehicle was off by a considerable amount that no amount of green putty could fix. The track is terrible. Continue to fall apart each time I tried to place it on the vehicle. Easiest fix was to super glue the visible parts of the track and leave the rest off. I can even recall the decals. All in all a terrible model. By contrast Emhar's WW I series were great to build.
One man's opinion.
DJ
GunTruck
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Posted: Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 11:03 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Well, I wished I could say that I never given up, but Friday id did
I took my Sherman to my club and I was kind of proud of it too since it was my first kit over 15 years and my first airbrush project.
I knew that there were a lot of mistakes, but hey, don't try don't learn right? The model was for 90% finished, I just wanted to ad a couple of scratches and some mud.
Well that was the plan, but,
man, they shot me down! Nothing was good, the assembly was bad, the paint was wrong,.... short said, It was declared boring.
They give me some pointers but at the end of the night I was fed up and throw the damn thing in the trash.
My wife has salvaged it and is trying to get me started again, but for now I hade up to here
Ah, better luck next time ....
Ronny - I'm shocked and embarrassed for all modelers out there to hear your experience! Keep on plugging away - and let those slings and arrows sail on by. That wasn't constructive criticisim - that was piling on! We all have different styles, tastes, and skill levels. What I like will not be the same as what someone else likes. Where I look for technical competency and ability in constructing a model - someone else happily slaps on mud, muck, and weathering. Everyone's effort, in the ways they manifest themselves, are appreciated. Thank your wife, and put that model up on the shelf. Look at it the next time you begin building a new model.
Gunnie
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Posted: Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 11:06 PM UTC
Yes. I gave up on the Encore wz.34 Polish armored car. The two halves of the hull were not even the same shape or size. To make a model that you could look at and say "It looks like a wz.34, but isn't totally accurate", you would have had to replace almost every part in the kit including the hull.
I model as a hobby and for fun and while I respect Gunny and everyone else for their "Don't leave a man behind" attitude, I for one am of the opinion that if I am not having fun building the model, why am I bothering.
I model as a hobby and for fun and while I respect Gunny and everyone else for their "Don't leave a man behind" attitude, I for one am of the opinion that if I am not having fun building the model, why am I bothering.
TreadHead
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Posted: Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 11:20 PM UTC
You make a good point Adam, 'fun' is the main ingredient here. But I think what Gunnie (and I hope he doesn't get mad at me for interpreting his words) is trying to say is, put the model back up on the shelf to try again another day. Quite often when you spend an absorbident (is that how that's spelled ) amount of time on a particular project you get too 'close' to it. You just have to distance yourself from it for awhile and allow a new or fresh perspective to present itself.
In the case of modeling this sometimes translates to reading an article, or coming across a technique that opens your eyes to 'fixing' that *&$#ing kit from Hell.
Just a thought.
Tread.
) amount of time on a particular project you get too 'close' to it. You just have to distance yourself from it for awhile and allow a new or fresh perspective to present itself.In the case of modeling this sometimes translates to reading an article, or coming across a technique that opens your eyes to 'fixing' that *&$#ing kit from Hell.
Just a thought.
Tread.
TreadHead
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Posted: Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 11:22 PM UTC
BTW Adam, checked out your 'Attic'. Nice Bulldog. Also like the 122? What kind of tracks did you use on the 122, Fruil? Nice sag.
Tread.
Tread.
ARMDCAV
Joined: July 29, 2002
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Posted: Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 11:32 PM UTC
Haven't exactly givin up yet but I do have several started but now back "in the box". #:-) [
Folgore
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Posted: Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 11:36 PM UTC
I'm joining this thread late, though I've been reading it since it started. I have a number of models that are partially built, or built all the way, just waiting to be painted. It seems that once I get that far, I want to move on to another, and they just get left in their boxes. In my case, it's not because of the poor fit or anything, it's more because I am a slow painter (it's hard to airbrush in the garage in winter here in Canada). At any rate, yesterday I was spraying a couple bombs for my TBM Avenger Olive Drab. I had a lot of paint left after I was done and, since the airbrush was running so well that day, I decided to find something else to paint. I remembered my Tamiya Cromwell that was sitting on a shelf, waiting to be painted. I found it, stuck a few last pieces on, and got painting. After the Olive Drab was applied to the undersides, I felt so good, I switched to a more accurate Dark Green, and sprayed the rest with that. The airbrush was working so well, I even oversprayed with a lighter shade afterwards.
Yesterday was one of my most productive days ever, and it was with a model I hadn't set eyes upon for months. The moral is, don't just give up on a model. Rather, save it for a rainy day (or extra parts, if it really sucks ).
Nic
Yesterday was one of my most productive days ever, and it was with a model I hadn't set eyes upon for months. The moral is, don't just give up on a model. Rather, save it for a rainy day (or extra parts, if it really sucks
).Nic
avukich
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Posted: Sunday, August 11, 2002 - 11:39 PM UTC
Tread,
Thanks for compliments on my models. The SU-122 uses the Friul T-34 tracks. They are such a beautiful update to almost any kit.
I understand what you mean about putting the model away for a while, I have done this with a couple such as the AER T-38 and the Tom Modellbau TK-3, but I am certain that this Encore wz.34 is beyond hope. It would basically build into a shapeless lump of plastic. I honestly believe that scratch building a wz.34 would be 100 times easier than correcting this kit.
Thanks for compliments on my models. The SU-122 uses the Friul T-34 tracks. They are such a beautiful update to almost any kit.
I understand what you mean about putting the model away for a while, I have done this with a couple such as the AER T-38 and the Tom Modellbau TK-3, but I am certain that this Encore wz.34 is beyond hope. It would basically build into a shapeless lump of plastic. I honestly believe that scratch building a wz.34 would be 100 times easier than correcting this kit.
drewgimpy
Joined: January 24, 2002
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Posted: Monday, August 12, 2002 - 01:19 PM UTC
I have ruined the paint on an italeri hummer and bought a acedemy one to replace the main body of the model. I am not sure if this is considered giving up or not. After getting some advice I learned that the academy version was much more accurate so after ruining the Italeri one I got the other. I am still going to use many of the Italeri parts and other things I have made for the kit so I am not ditching the whole thing. you will have to decide wether that is quiting or changing plans as the project goes on.
I may someday quite on a model that just plain sucks, but I don't think I will ever walk away from a "Project". What I mean by that is when I build something the kit is just a part of a big project. After getting books, doing searches for pictures, reading some history on the vehicle, deciding what colors to paint, etc., etc, etc, I would never quite the project. If a certain kit did not work well with what I was trying to do, I may junk it and get another one that will work but I would never go through all the work of starting a hummer with a tow launcher and not finish it. When I finaly decide what to build I stick to it, the plans usually change a little on the way but I have always finished what I set out to build in some fashon, even when I was a little boy.
I may someday quite on a model that just plain sucks, but I don't think I will ever walk away from a "Project". What I mean by that is when I build something the kit is just a part of a big project. After getting books, doing searches for pictures, reading some history on the vehicle, deciding what colors to paint, etc., etc, etc, I would never quite the project. If a certain kit did not work well with what I was trying to do, I may junk it and get another one that will work but I would never go through all the work of starting a hummer with a tow launcher and not finish it. When I finaly decide what to build I stick to it, the plans usually change a little on the way but I have always finished what I set out to build in some fashon, even when I was a little boy.
TreadHead
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Posted: Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:08 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Tread,
Thanks for compliments on my models. The SU-122 uses the Friul T-34 tracks. They are such a beautiful update to almost any kit.
I understand what you mean about putting the model away for a while, I have done this with a couple such as the AER T-38 and the Tom Modellbau TK-3, but I am certain that this Encore wz.34 is beyond hope. It would basically build into a shapeless lump of plastic. I honestly believe that scratch building a wz.34 would be 100 times easier than correcting this kit.
Adam,
NP on the compliments, you deserve them. I thought they were Fruil's. That's what I use almost exclusively, and you're right, they are a 'beautiful update' to any kit. Can't say enough good things about them. Especially when you pay almost the same things for ModelKasten's.
Back to your Encore wz. 34. How about this idea. Do what you can for the kit, but build it into a 'knocked out' version, complete with battle damage and burned out markings. This way you can still make the kit productive, and take out some frustration!......Whadaya think?
Heck, the 'knocked out' version would even justify the bad fitting pieces as blown out steel plates!
Just a thought, hope it helps.
Tread.
avukich
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Posted: Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:26 PM UTC
I haven't looked at that kit in a while, but I will have to go and check it out. I will take a picture or two and post them so that you can see just how bad that kit truly is. The knocked out idea may just work though.
GunTruck
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Posted: Monday, August 12, 2002 - 11:52 PM UTC
Quoted Text
You make a good point Adam, 'fun' is the main ingredient here. But I think what Gunnie (and I hope he doesn't get mad at me for interpreting his words) is trying to say is, put the model back up on the shelf to try again another day. Quite often when you spend an absorbident (is that how that's spelled
In the case of modeling this sometimes translates to reading an article, or coming across a technique that opens your eyes to 'fixing' that *&$#ing kit from Hell.
Just a thought.
Tread.
Adam & Tread - Tread did capture what I meant. If you're not having fun - why keep beating yourself in the head?!? If you're spending an inordinate amount of time on a model - put it up on the shelf and come back to it later on. Sometimes later is several months down the road, but who cares, you're only building it for yourself. I do. I could care less about finishing a model in any other schedule than the one I set for myself. Accuracy is in the eye of the beholder too - so don't let that be a determining factor in completing a model. I might decide to wrestle that nasty old Encore armored car too - I have one goading me on the shelf right now. Maybe I'll get ridiculous with it - maybe I won't. It all depends on how I feel about it from the outset, but once I get going, I'm gonna finish it...
This is what I meant about "not leaving a man behind".
Gunnie
210cav
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 12:10 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextYou make a good point Adam, 'fun' is the main ingredient here. But I think what Gunnie (and I hope he doesn't get mad at me for interpreting his words) is trying to say is, put the model back up on the shelf to try again another day. Quite often when you spend an absorbident (is that how that's spelled
In the case of modeling this sometimes translates to reading an article, or coming across a technique that opens your eyes to 'fixing' that *&$#ing kit from Hell.
Just a thought.
Tread.
Adam & Tread - Tread did capture what I meant. If you're not having fun - why keep beating yourself in the head?!? If you're spending an inordinate amount of time on a model - put it up on the shelf and come back to it later on. Sometimes later is several months down the road, but who cares, you're only building it for yourself. I do. I could care less about finishing a model in any other schedule than the one I set for myself. Accuracy is in the eye of the beholder too - so don't let that be a determining factor in completing a model. I might decide to wrestle that nasty old Encore armored car too - I have one goading me on the shelf right now. Maybe I'll get ridiculous with it - maybe I won't. It all depends on how I feel about it from the outset, but once I get going, I'm gonna finish it...
This is what I meant about "not leaving a man behind".
Gunnie
Sir Gunnie---I take it this is your philosophical approach to completing construction of the Jaguar Sheridan.
DJ
GunTruck
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 01:55 AM UTC
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Sir Gunnie---I take it this is your philosophical approach to completing construction of the Jaguar Sheridan.
DJ
Heh heh - yep! Actually - I painted the dang thing this past Saturday morning!!! I am progressing fairly quickly on it now - between my M4 Sherman (my very first one) and my M7 Priest (Early). All I need to do is coax the track runs back on the model and wrap everything up!
Gunnie
kkeefe
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 02:18 AM UTC
Guilty as charged... sort of.
I do my best to finish what I've started, but sometimes it doesn't always pan out that way.
Couple of cases in point.
I started the RG Luchs when it came out a few years ago. PE, AM tires and some homemade substitutions/additions. Lost interest, packed it up and set it aside for another day.
The DML Mechanical Mule with the 106 RR. Detailed the hell out of it, a buddy made up some extra RR rounds etc.... Added quite a bit to it, but ended up packing that up as well and put it aside.
Kirin 1/16th scale Mark 19 Grenade Launcher. Again, detailed it up, lost interest, packed it up. So close to finishing it too.
Sort of proud to say that in all the years that I've been scale modeling, these are the only ones I haven't finished (yet). If I'm not happy with the progress, or the outcome, I'll whip it together just for the experience. On occasion, I'll take the not-so-good builds to the rifle range and practice up on my Anti-Tank "skills".
Thanks,
Kevin Keefe
Mortars in Miniature
I do my best to finish what I've started, but sometimes it doesn't always pan out that way.
Couple of cases in point.
I started the RG Luchs when it came out a few years ago. PE, AM tires and some homemade substitutions/additions. Lost interest, packed it up and set it aside for another day.
The DML Mechanical Mule with the 106 RR. Detailed the hell out of it, a buddy made up some extra RR rounds etc.... Added quite a bit to it, but ended up packing that up as well and put it aside.
Kirin 1/16th scale Mark 19 Grenade Launcher. Again, detailed it up, lost interest, packed it up. So close to finishing it too.
Sort of proud to say that in all the years that I've been scale modeling, these are the only ones I haven't finished (yet). If I'm not happy with the progress, or the outcome, I'll whip it together just for the experience. On occasion, I'll take the not-so-good builds to the rifle range and practice up on my Anti-Tank "skills".
Thanks,
Kevin Keefe
Mortars in Miniature
210cav
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 03:03 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextSir Gunnie---I take it this is your philosophical approach to completing construction of the Jaguar Sheridan.
DJ
Heh heh - yep! Actually - I painted the dang thing this past Saturday morning!!! I am progressing fairly quickly on it now - between my M4 Sherman (my very first one) and my M7 Priest (Early). All I need to do is coax the track runs back on the model and wrap everything up!
Gunnie
AHahhhhhh! That means I have to revisit DJ's Shop of Horror Stories.......
Sancho0409
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 03:05 AM UTC
I gave up on a model way back when. It was when I was still making civilian cars. I was making a bmw Z8, I think, like James Bond style, and for the life of me, I could not get the body to fit with the chassis, so me, being the verythe very easily angered person I am, I loaded it with a bunch of fire crackers and some lighter fluid, and yatta yatta yatta, when I was done, all it was was a bubbling pol of hot meted plastic (I am sure some people will not like the actions I took, but it not only mader me feel better, but it was also fun)
GunTruck
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Posted: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 - 03:10 AM UTC
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I loaded it with a bunch of fire crackers and some lighter fluid, and yatta yatta yatta, when I was done, all it was was a bubbling pol of hot meted plastic (I am sure some people will not like the actions I took, but it not only mader me feel better, but it was also fun)
Ahhhhh - Model Killer - Model Killer!!! REDRUM REDRUM
I do admit to blowing up entire companies of little green army men - before wanting to become one. I know where you're coming from...
Gunnie
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